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FidoNews · Vol 14, No 41 · 13 October 1997

     F I D O N E W S --       Volume 14, Number 41          13 October 1997
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               How about those FLORIDA MARLINS?!!


                        Table of Contents
     1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
        Do they watch American baseball outside of Zone 1?  .......  1
     2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR  ....................................  2
        MSGID bug  ................................................  2
        Expiring in the EList  ....................................  2
        More probs  ...............................................  3
     3. ARTICLES  .................................................  5
        FTSC Administrator - NOTICE OF NOMINATIONS  ...............  5
     4. COLUMNS  ..................................................  7
        Fidonet in Europe  ........................................  7
     5. COMIX IN ASCII  ...........................................  8
        Does Spam exist in FidoNet?  ..............................  8
     6. NOTICES  ..................................................  9
        Future History  ...........................................  9
     7. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................................. 10
        Latest Greatest Software Versions  ........................ 10
     8. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY  ...................................... 14
        FidoNews PGP public-key listing  .......................... 14
     9. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 15
     10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 17
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     =================================================================
                                 EDITORIAL
     =================================================================

     Not much new going on. Zone 4 DID get a new ZC. I saw it in the
     Nodediff on Friday but nobody bothered to let FidoNews know so it
     could be passed on the easy way. Maybe neither the past or the new
     ZC4 ever heard of FidoNews?

     So, I'll tell you that ZC4 is now:

       Alejandro Alvarez at 4:900/309 in or around Buenos Aires in
       Argentina.

     From his listings, it appears he also an RC and an NC which is a lot
     of hats if you have more than 20 Nodes in your Region or Net but that
     is just speculation since no official notice has been forthcoming.

     One can only hope this ZC4 will be more responsive than the last ZC4.
     Congratulations [or commiserations as appropriate], Alejandro! Feel
     free to use FidoNews to tell us everything. [grin]

     And on a completely irrelevant note, are the FLorida Marlins going to
     the World Series against the Cleveland Indians? [remember, you heard
     it here first.] [grin]

     For those who participate in the semi-annual stupidity, it's only TWO
     weeks until Daylight Savings Time ends and normal time resumes. Mark
     your calendars!

     For those of you with FidoNet-related websites or webpages, be sure to
     sign-up for the FidoNet WorldWide Webring. The URL is in the Masthead.

     C.B.

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     =================================================================
                           LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
     =================================================================

     --- Following message extracted from NETMAIL @ 1:18/14 ---
         By Christopher Baker on Sun Oct 12 18:54:34 1997

     From: John Souvestre @ 1:396/1
     To: Christopher Baker @ 1:18/14
     Date: 07 Oct 97  10:57:14
     Subj: MSGID bug

      MSGID: 1:396/1 343a5c28

      * Original to PCB'ers at 1:396/1 in "Sou_Star"
      * Forwarded Tue Oct 07 1997  10:59:04 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1

     Hello Chris.

     Feel free to print.  :-)

     ===

     Hi all.

     This bug seems to show up every so often.  So here's a reminder...

     A MSGID without the system ID field is illegal.  PCBoard is notorious
     for doing this!  It is a bug which they have been aware of for years
     but have failed to fix.  Here is a note from a PCB SysOp who found out
     how to force it to work.

     ===

      J> Your system is generating MSGIDs which are not legal.  They
      J> contain a MSGID value (32 bit hex number) but no system of origin
      J> info.

      D> Got to digging into the configuration, and found a place to set
      D> the 'Default AKA Conference Range'.  Since I only have one
      D> address, I figured 'who needs that, there's only one 'AKA' to
      D> chose, it must be the default?'  Turns out I did, I plugged my
      D> node number in there and now the MSGID is right.

     ===

     John

      -30-

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     Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:44:18 -0700
     From: William Scott Lockwood III <wsl3@cts.com>
     Reply-To: wsl3@cts.com
     Organization: Corpsmans Corner BBS
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     To: Adrian Walker <awalker@portal.ca>
     CC: Brenda Donovan <brenda@tnl-online.com>, Brent Hamm
             <mba@financier.com>, Christopher Baker <cbaker84@digital.net>,
             Roy Witt <roywitt@access1.net>
     Subject: Robot Problems

     Adrian,

       I have noticed with dismay that despite being updated several times
     lately, REAL_FREE_SPEECH is in the expiring list!  Why is that?  I
     have also noted that CABLE_MODEMS, despite jumping through all the
     appropriate hoops, and being requested by 3 REC's is still not listed!
     Can you explain this?

     Also, I tried to Elist several expired listings lately.  All of my
     requests failed, but I note with great interest that others (many of
     them not the former moderators of record) have been able to e-list
     them.  When I asked you about this, all you told me was to read BOFAQ,
     which basically said wait until after the listing expires.  Why do my
     requests to E-list things bounce, but others do not?  Enquiring minds
     want to know...

     Chris:  Please publish this so that others in FidoNet will know to
     check their echo's listings, to ensure they are not having similar
     trouble.

     --
     TTYL,
     Scott
     mailto:wsl3@cts.com
     http://www.users.cts.com/king/w/wsl3/

      -30-






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     Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:59:10 -0700
     From: William Scott Lockwood III <wsl3@cts.com>
     Reply-To: wsl3@cts.com
     Organization: Corpsmans Corner BBS
     To: Adrian Walker <awalker@portal.ca>
     CC: Christopher Baker <cbaker84@digital.net>
     Subject: I'm SORRY!
     References: <07521531.34389e20@portal.ca>

     > Do you just send messages for the sheer enjoyment of making work for
     > people, or do you ever bother to check your facts first?  Can *you*
     > explain that?!

     What would you like me to explain?  What I've seen (0 traffic for
     instance, and no indication that it was there before today) has led me
     FIDONEWS 14-41               Page 4                   13 Oct 1997


     to beleave that it was being held somehow.  If I am in error, I am
     sorry.  I know you don't beleave that, but there it is, none the less.

     After your last netmail to me, I figgured you just had it in for me
     like your buddy Bodger.

     > Check BACKBONE.NA.

     Funny you should mention that.  I still haven't seen it.  I'll look
     around on the net for another copy, and see if I have a local problem.
     I'm sorry for any inconvienance.

     > Ever heard of a password?  If it is not your listing, you are not
     > entitled to it.  Talk to Counsil, Queen and Lewis - there's been a
     > war on between them for echoes.  I've sent them the logs.

     I'm not trying to be obtuse, but this made no sence to me.  If an echo
     has gone 6 months without being listed, it's fair game right?

     > BTW, people who think that publication of the Elist is a mindless
     > automated activity which occurs on the stroke of midnight on the
     > first of each month have evidently never done a stitch of work for
     > Fidonet.  It is a time-consuming 2 hour marathon of batch files and
     > file checking, largely done manually.

     Hmmm.  Okay, why not code that function?  I'm new to C programming,
     but if I could be of any help, I'd be happy to be.  I'm looking for
     something to work on right now anyway, to sharpen my skills.

     > As a result it gets done when I have time.  That may be several
     > days after the 1st of the month.

     You know, if you just said these things in the first place, there'd be
     a lot less confusion.

     > You'll always know when passwords have been purged because you will
     > have received the new Elist.

     What am I misreading then?  It seemed to me that all the echo's I
     wanted HAD been de-listed already.

     Chris - please post this WITH my other one.
     --
     TTYL,
     Scott
     mailto:wsl3@cts.com
     http://www.users.cts.com/king/w/wsl3/

      -30-

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     =================================================================
                                 ARTICLES
     =================================================================



                     ========================================
                     NOTICE OF FTSC ADMINISTRATOR NOMINATIONS
                     ========================================

     by Adrian Walker, 1:153/752
     06 October 1997

                                    ==========
                                    BACKGROUND
                                    ==========

     From 01 December 1996 until 24 March 1997, discussion in the
     FTSC_PUBLIC echo defined the mission and operating procedures for a
     revitalized Fidonet Technical Standards Committee (FTSC), ending in
     the publication of two new documents, FTA-1000 (FTSC Charter) and
     FTA-1001 (FTSC Operations).

     From 24 March until 01 August 1997, nominations were accepted for FTSC
     Standing Members from RCs and RECs throughout Fidonet.  From 16 August
     until 05 September 1997, the RCs and RECs voted, and 24 Standing
     Members were elected.

     Since then, the Standing Members have been linked to the FTSC echo,
     and Working Groups are being set up to address revision of the
     existing Fidonet Technical Standards.

     The final step is to elect the FTSC Administrator, at which point the
     FTSC becomes fully operational.  The duties of the administrator are
     published in FTA-1001.

                                    ===========
                                    NOMINATIONS
                                    ===========

     The following extract from FTA-1001 describes the nomination and
     voting process:

          The FTSC administrator is appointed for a four year renewable
          term.

          To be eligible for appointment, an individual must be a Fidonet
          node, be actively involved in Fidonet, though not necessarily in
          a programming context, and should have proven organizational
          skills. A candidate need not be a member of the FTSC.  It is
          recommended that a successful candidate not carry any *C or *EC
          responsibilities during the term of office.

          A candidate for FTSC Administrator may be nominated by any
          Standing Member.

     FIDONEWS 14-41               Page 6                   13 Oct 1997


          The FTSC Administrator is appointed on the basis of a vote by all
          Standing Members who are defined by the then-current edition of
          FTA-0003 (FTSC Membership List).  A successful candidate must
          receive approval by at least a plurality of votes.

          Publication of the nominations and the voting procedure shall
          take place openly in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and voting shall close
          three weeks after publication of the vote.  Votes shall be by
          netmail ballot to an independent enumerator.

          [Plurality as defined in FTA-1001:
          More votes than any other candidate, but less than a majority]

                                ===============
                                ACTION REQUIRED
                                ===============

     Effective immediately, any FTSC Standing Member may nominate a person
     for the position of FTSC Administrator, such nominations to be posted
     in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo.  Nominations close at 2359 UTC on Monday 27
     October 1997.

     At that time a list of all applicants having been properly nominated
     will be published in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and the voting process as
     defined above will then be followed.

     Barring unforeseen delays, it is anticipated that voting will commence
     at 0000 UTC on Friday 31 October 1997 and close at 2359 UTC on Friday
     21 November 1997.

                                ---OOO000OOO---

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     =================================================================
                                  COLUMNS
     =================================================================

     Fidonet in Europe
     -----------------
     by David Meikle (2:259/69.2 , david.meikle@vb.unmanned.co.uk)

     Not much happening in Europe just now. Apart from Astrowars starts on
     the 18th of October.

     Dave

     P.S. Vist www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/way/8351

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     =================================================================
                              COMIX IN ASCII
     =================================================================

     --- Following message extracted from ASCII_ART @ 1:18/14 ---
         By Christopher Baker on Sat Oct 11 02:51:13 1997

     From: Alex Kemp
     To: SB Perelman
     Date: 09 Oct 97  21:19:29
     Subj: ASCII_ART Gallery Rules: 10-08-97

     SB Perelman stepped onto something squelchy to All 's amusement...

      SP>  The Don't's:
      SP>  @  NO SPAM

                      ==========================================
                      | ,dP""8a "888888b,  d8b    "888b  ,888" |
                      | 88b   "  888  d88 dPY8b    88Y8b,8888  |
                      | `"Y8888a 888ad8P'dPaaY8b   88 Y88P888  |
                      | a,   Y88 888    dP    Y8b  88  YP 888  |
                      | `"8ad8P'a888a  a88a;*a888aa88a   a888a |
                      |                ;*;;;;*;;;*;;;*,,       |
                      |        _,-+-'':::';*;;;*;;;*;;*d;,     |
                      |     .-'      ::::::::::';*;;*;dII;     |
                      |   .' ,<<<,.  :::::::::::::::ffffff`.   |
                      |  / ,<<<<<<<<,::::::::::::::::fffffI,\  |
                      | .,<<<<<<<<<<I;:::::::::::::::ffffKIP", |
                      | |<<<<<<<<<<dP;,?>;,::::::::::fffKKIP | |
                      | ``<<<<<<<dP;;;;;\>>>>>;,::::fffKKIPf ' |
                      |  \ `mYMMV?;;;;;;;\>>>>>>>>>,YIIPP"` /  |
                      |   `. "":;;;;;;;;;i>>>>>>>>>>>>>,  ,'   |
                      |     `-._``":;;;sP'`"?>>>>>========.    |
                      |         `-+-..._______...| Hormel |    |
                      |                          `========'    |
                      ==========================================

     Sorry, couldn't resist posting this olde :)

       __ _   _    ___  __  __
      / _` | | |  / _ \ \ \/ /  Internet : aJk@norbert.craybbs.co.uk
     | (_| | | | |  __/  >  <    Fidonet : 2:254/60.6
      \__,_| |_|  \___| /_/\_\             2:254/211.16
     ...WARNING!  This PC is protected by a ferret with a black belt in
     Karate

     Origin: You mean you're NOT fixed into LandRover_UK ??? (2:254/60.6)

      -30-




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     =================================================================
                                  NOTICES
     =================================================================

                                Future History

      1 Dec 1997
        World AIDS Day.

     10 Dec 1997
        Nobel Day, Sweden.

     12 Jan 1998
        HAL 9000 is one year old today.

     30 Apr 1998
        Queens Day, Holland.

     22 May 1998
        Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.

     14 Sep 1998
        Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].

     22 Sep 1998
        First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.

      1 Dec 1998
        Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
        Tom Jennings.

     24 Jul 1999
        XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

     31 Dec 1999
        Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

      1 Jan 2000
        The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

      1 Jun 2000
        EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

     15 Sep 2000
        Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

      1 Jan 2001
        This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

     -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
        Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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     =================================================================
                         FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
     =================================================================

     [from 1439. Ed.]

     Latest Greatest Software Versions
     by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264

     Websites of interest:

             BinkleyTerm-XE  - http://www.cc86.org/~btxe/
             Searchlight BBS - http://www.searchlight.com

     -=- Snip -=-

     Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

     OS Platform                             :
     Software package name                   :
     Version                                 :
     Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
     Freeware / Shareware / Commercial?      :
     Author / Support staff contact name     :
     Author / Support staff contact node     :
     Magic name (at the above-listed node)   :

     Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

     Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

     -=- Snip -=-

     MS-DOS:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Act-Up         4.6      G D Chris Gunn        1:15/55     ACT-UP
     ALLFIX         4.40     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   ALLFIX
     Announcer      1.11     O S Peter Karlsson    2:206/221   ANNOUNCE
     BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
     Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOS_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_DOS
     CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
     CheckPnt       1.0a     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     CHECKPNT
     FastEcho       1.45a    T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FASTECHO
     FastEcho/16    1.45a    T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FE16
     FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTD
     FidoBBS (tm)   12u      B S Ray Brown         1:1/117     FILES
     FrontDoor      2.12     M S JoHo              2:201/330   FD
     FrontDoor      2.20c    M C JoHo              2:201/330   FDINFO
     GEcho          1.00     T S Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
     GEcho/Plus     1.11     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
     GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
     GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
     GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GED
     FIDONEWS 14-41               Page 11                  13 Oct 1997


     GoldED/386     2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEX
     GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
     GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
     Imail          1.75     T S Michael McCabe    1:1/121     IMAIL
     ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
     InfoMail/86    1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFOMAIL
     InfoMail/386   1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFO386
     InterEcho      1.19     T C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IEDEMO
     InterMail      2.29k    M C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IMDEMO
     InterPCB       1.52     O S Peter Stewart     1:369/35    INTERPCB
     IPNet          1.11     O S Michele Stewart   1:369/21    IPNET
     JD's CBV       1.4      O S John Dailey       1:363/277   CBV
     Jelly-Bean     1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY
     Jelly-Bean/386 1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY386
     JMail-Hudson   2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-H
     JMail-Goldbase 2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-G
     MakePl         1.9      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MAKEPL
     Marena         1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MARENA
     Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAX
     Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUE
     McMail         1.0      M S Michael McCabe    1:1/148     MCMAIL
     MDNDP          1.18     N S Bill Doyle        1:388/7     MDNDP
     Msged          4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41D.ZIP
     Msged/386      4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41X.ZIP
     NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFD
     NorthStar      3.31.29  B S A&B Darin         1:285/82    NSTAR
     Opus CBCS      1.79     B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14    OPUS
     O/T-Track      2.66     O S Peter Hampf       2:241/1090  OT
     PcMerge        2.8      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
     PlatinumXpress 1.3      M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PX13TD.ZIP
     QuickBBS       2.81     B S Ben Schollnick    1:2613/477  QUICKBBS
     RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR
     RemoteAccess   2.50     B S Mark Lewis        1:3634/12   RA
     Searchlight    4.5      B S Paul Casey        1:343/117   DEMO450.ZIP
     Searchlight    5.02     B C Paul Casey        1:343/117   SLBBS50.TXT
     Silver Xpress
       Door         5.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   FILES
       Reader       4.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   SXR44.ZIP
     Spitfire       3.51     B S Mike Weaver       1:3670/3    SPITFIRE
     Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISH
     StealTag UK    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_UK
     StealTag NL    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_NL
     T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL
     Telegard       3.02     B F Tim Strike        1:259/423   TELEGARD
     Terminate      5.00     O S Bo Bendtsen       2:254/261   TERMINATE
     Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
     TosScan        1.01     T C JoHo              2:201/330   TSINFO
     TransNet       1.00     G S Marc S. Ressl     4:904/72    TN100ALL.ZIP
     TriBBS         11.0     B S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIBBS
     TriDog         11.0     T F Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIDOG
     TriToss        11.0     T S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRITOSS
     WaterGate      0.93     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
     WWIV           4.24a    B S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIV
     WWIVTOSS       1.36     T S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIVTOSS
     xMail          2.00     T S Thorsten Franke   2:2448/53   XMAIL
     XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XRDOS
     FIDONEWS 14-41               Page 12                  13 Oct 1997


     OS/2:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     ALLFIX/2       1.10     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   AFIXOS2
     BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
     Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BOS2_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_OS2
     CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
     FastEcho       1.45a    T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FE2
     FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLST
     FleetStreet    1.20     O S Michael Hohner    2:2490/2520 FLEET
     GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
     GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
     GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
     GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
     GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
     ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
     Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXP
     Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUEP
     Msged/2        4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41O.ZIP
     NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEF
     PcMerge        2.3      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
     RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR2
     Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISHP
     T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL2
     Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
     WaterGate      0.93     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
     XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XROS2

     Windows (16-bit apps):
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
     FrontDoor APX  1.12     P S Mats Wallin       2:201/329   FDAPXW

     Windows (32-bit apps):
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     Argus 95/IP    2.704    M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    A9I
     Argus NT/IP    2.704    M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    ANI
     BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
     Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BW32_260.ZIP
     BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_W32
     CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
     FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTW
     GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
     GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
     Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXN
     Msged/NT       4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41W.ZIP
     NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFW
     PlatinumXpress 2.00     M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PXW-INFO
     Searchlight    5.02     B C Paul Casey        1:343/117   SLBBS50.TXT
     T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAILNT
     WinFOSSIL/95   1.12 r4  F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   WNFOSSIL.ZIP
     FIDONEWS 14-41               Page 13                  13 Oct 1997


     WinFOSSIL/NT   1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   NTFOSSIL.ZIP

     Unix:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     ifmail         2.10     M G Eugene Crosser    2:293/2219  IFMAIL
     ifmail-tx      ...tx8.4 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX
     ifmail-tx.rpm  ...tx8.4 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX.RPM
     Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
     Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK

     Amiga:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     CrashMail      1.23     T X Fredrik Bennison  2:205/324   CRASHMAIL
     CrashTick      1.1      O F Fredrik Bennison  2:205/324   CRASHTICK
     DLG Pro BBOS   1.15     B C Holly Sullivan    1:202/720   DLGDEMO
     GMS            1.1.85   M S Mirko Viviani     2:331/213   GMS
     Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
     Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
     TrapDoor       1.86.b2  M S Maximilian Hantsch
                                                   2:310/6     TRAPDOOR
     TrapToss       1.50     T S Rene Hexel        2:310/6     TRAPTOSS

     Atari:
     Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     ApplyList      1.00     N F Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
     BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2  M F Bill Scull        1:363/112   BINKLEY
     BTNC           2.00     N G Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 BTNC
     JetMail        0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker     2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
     Semper         0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten      2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

     Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
               C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
               be listed by the first match.

     Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
           X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

     Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

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     File-request FNEWSKEY from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] or download it from the
     Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 anytime except 0100-0130 ET and Zone
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     the FidoNews homepage listed in the Masthead information.

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     =================================================================
                            FIDONET BY INTERNET
     =================================================================

     This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
     of this appearance.

     ============

     FidoNet:

       Homepage     http://www.fidonet.org
       FidoNews     http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
       HTML FNews   http://www.fidonews.org
       WWW sources  http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
       FTSC page    http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm
       Echomail     http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
       WebRing      http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html

     ============

     Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

       Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

       Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

       Region 13:  http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm

       Region 14:  [disappeared?]

       Region 15:  [disappeared?]

       Region 16:  http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm

       Region 17:  http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
           REC17:  http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/

       Region 18:  http://www.citicom.com/fido.html

       Region 19:  http://www.compconn.net

     ============

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

     ZEC2:         http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
     Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/

       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)

       Region 25:
                   http://members.aol.com/Net254/

     FIDONEWS 14-41               Page 16                  13 Oct 1997


       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (in French)

       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (in Swiss)

       Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)

       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (in Spanish)
           REC34:  http://pobox.com/~chr

       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)

       Region 48:  http://www.fidonet.org.pl

     ============

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     ============

     Zone 4:       (not yet listed)

       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)

     ============

     Zone 5:       http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

     ============

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)

     ============

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     FIDONEWS 14-41               Page 17                  13 Oct 1997


     =================================================================
                           FIDONEWS INFORMATION
     =================================================================

     ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

     Editor: Christopher Baker

     Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
                       Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
                       Donald Tees

     "FidoNews Editor"
         FidoNet  1:1/23
         BBS  1-904-409-7040,  300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds)

      more addresses:
         Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, cbaker84@digital.net
                                       cbaker84@fidonews.org
                                       cbaker84@aol.com
                                       cbaker84@msn.com

     (Postal Service mailing address)
         FidoNews Editor
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     voice:  1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please]
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     of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
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                            =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=

     OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
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     PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
     address.  File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue.  File-request
     FNEWS for the current month in one archive.  Or file-request specific
     FIDONEWS 14-41               Page 18                  13 Oct 1997


     back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSEnn.ZIP] for a
     particular Issue.  Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
     where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
     current year [7], i.e., FNWSAUG7.ZIP for all the Issues from Aug 97.

     Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
     1 - 14 for 1984 - 1997, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
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     INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

                          http://www.fidonews.org
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                          ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
                          ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/

                                      *=*=*

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     with a Subject line of: help

     and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
     instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will
     respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
     www.fidonews.org.

                                      *=*=*

     You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

                          http://www.fidonews.org

     STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
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                          ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

     Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
     for that year's issues.  The total set is currently about 11 Megs.
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                                 =*=*=*=

     The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
     available almost immediately after publication on the Editor's new
     homepage on the World Wide Web at:

                  http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html

     There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
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