FidoNews · Vol 14, No 48 · 1 December 1997
F I D O N E W S -- Volume 14, Number 48 1 December 1997
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
Talk is cheap? ........................................... 1
2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
FidoNet on the Internet project starting ................. 2
FidoNet dies a slow death! ............................... 3
Nodelist flags ........................................... 3
Responses to articles in 14-47 ........................... 11
New Echos ................................................ 12
3. NET HUMOR ................................................ 13
Are programmers that hard to understand? ................. 13
4. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 14
5. NOTICES .................................................. 15
Future History ........................................... 15
6. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 16
Latest Greatest Software Versions ........................ 16
7. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY ...................................... 20
FidoNews PGP public-key listing .......................... 20
8. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 21
9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 23
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EDITORIAL
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FidoNet Policy4 is like the weather. It changes depending on where you
are and everyone talks about it but nobody does anything about it.
We still don't have an International Coordinator to take the reins of
this debate and throw the darn thing out.
Other than that, nothing else is new, either.
C.B.
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ARTICLES
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From: davec@trak-one.co.uk (Dave Carter)
Date: 26 Nov 97 02:48:07 +0000
Subject: FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet)
Organization: The TRAK-ONE! BBS
To: cbaker84@digital.net
Hi Chris,
For the first time in my life, I'd like to submit something to
Fidonews please! :-)
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Hi Folks!,
FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet) is a new project being coordinated by a
number of people in the UK with an interest in the future of Fidonet,
and we're looking for help from any Fidonet echo moderators and
Fidonet shareware authors around the world.
FOTI includes sections about Fido-related shareware/freeware programs,
and echomail conferences available around the world - there is even an
opportunity for each program or echo to have it's own mini web-site,
if it doesn't already have one elsewhere :-)
Initially, it would be great if any author or moderator with WWW
access could pop onto the site at http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti, and
take a look at the format of the information we're already carrying.
Then, put together some information that you'd like shown (if it's
already in HTML, then great), and send it to us so that we can include
it.
Once you have something to send, please use one of the following
methods to submit your info:
* Upload it to ftp://ftp.trak-one.co.uk/incoming (active from Friday
28th November), and send an e-mail to input@foti.trak-one.co.uk
telling us it's there (Please give the filename and program/echo-tag
it refers to).
* File attach it to an e-mail to input@foti.trak-one.co.uk or netmail
to me at 2:25/999 or 2:254/60.
This part of the FOTI project relies on YOU make it a success!
The site will be updated each Saturday with submissions received
during the previous week .... Please help - Don't miss out! :-)
Join us every Saturday at 11 am on the site for live chat about the
future of Fidonet!
Cheers,
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Dave -[ davec@trak-one.co.uk ]-
FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet) * http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti
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Thanks,
Dave
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FidoNet dies a slow death!
by: Bobby Queen 1:3667/5 changes to 1:18/178 on 11/28/97
Well to show how bad FidoNet is hurting our local Net 3667 is being
dissolved this week due to the NC/NEC and 3 more BBS's quitting all at
once.
This means my node number is being changed to a regional independent
due to the fact that the next closest net is still LD to me.
I am going to do my best in the limited time my RC Ken Tuley is giving
me to try to get enough BBS's here in town hooked up so we can
resurrect Net 3667 again out of the ashes.
I think the reason Net 3667 never took off was the NC/NEC was charging
an outrageous amount of CRP. That is one of the main problems that is
still hiding in FidoNet today.
As the Internet becomes more popular it is hurting us BBS's but it is
also making it easier for us to get our FidoNet mail and files via FTP
and other Internet means. So lets each one contact a few local boards
this next week that are not in FidoNet and see if we can not reverse
this backwards slide that FidoNet is in.
Bobby Queen
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Nodelist flags
Publication: FSP-Z2 (number to be assigned)
Revision: 6
Title: Zone 2 nodelist flags
Author: Frank Ellermann, 2:240/5815.1
Revision Date: 27 November 1997
Expiry Date:
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Contents:
1. Introduction
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2. FTS-0005 flags
3. User flags
4. Approved zone 2 user flags
5. Flag implications
6. Invalid combinations
7. Baud rate field
8. Thanks to...
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1. Introduction
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This document informs about known differences of FidoNet zone 2
nodelist flags from FTS-0005.003. The ultimate sources for these
informations are the current Z2 nodelist epilogue and the setup
for flag corrections at Z2C, but it may be difficult to get these
sources for readers in other zones.
| All changes since version 5 are marked by a bar at the left edge.
It is (again) possible to list V32b and V42b in zone 2, upper case
V32B or V42B is not more enforced. Currently new flags needed for
IP-connectivity are under test in zone 2 (only internally), e.g.
-> VM VModem, default port 3141, dummy country code 000-
-> IFC IFCico, default port 60179, dummy country code 000-
-> BND BinkP, default port 24544, dummy country code 000-
-> IP general IP connectivity, dummy country code 000-
-> TELN Telnet dummy country code 000-
2. FTS-0005 flags
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The following flags are used as specified in FTS-0005.003:
CM Continuous Mail, node accepts mail 24 hours a day
MO Mailer Only (no BBS)
LO Listed Only, node accepts calls only from listed
node numbers in the current FidoNet nodelist
-> V21 ITU-T V21 300 bps full duplex (obsolete)
V22 ITU-T V22 1200 bps full duplex (obsolescent)
| In zone 2 the value 1200 in the baud rate field implies V22. Only
| two nodes not supporting at least V22bis, ISDN, or IP still exist
| in the zone 2 segment. Flag V22 is almost obsolete, and V21 is
| already removed in Z2. Both flags should be dropped from the next
| FTS-0005 version.
V29 ITU-T V29 9600 bps half duplex (obsolescent)
-> V33 ITU-T V33 14400 bps half duplex (obsolete)
V33 cannot be used in connecting FidoNet nodes over public dial-up
lines and is most probably a historical error in FTS-0005. A very
similar argument is applicable on V29, all nodes flying this flag
support at least V32. Today only one node in Z2 still flies V29,
and V33 is already removed in Z2. Both flags should be dropped in
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the next FTS-0005 version.
V32 ITU-T V32 9600 bps full duplex
V32b ITU-T V32bis 14400 bps full duplex (implies V32)
| V34 ITU-T V34 28800 bps full duplex (33600 bps option)
FTS-0005 specifies V32b and V42b (capital V and small b), current
nodelist practice in FidoNet shows all combinations of small and
capital letters for flags. This was no problem before FSC-0062
introduced case-sensitive flags. The best solution is to stick to
the current practice and treat all old flags as case-insensitive.
H96 Hayes V9600
HST USR Courier HST up to 9600 (implies MNP)
H14 USR Courier HST up to 14400 (implies HST)
-> H16 USR Courier HST up to 16800 (implies H14 and V42b)
MAX Microcom AX/96xx series (almost obsolete)
PEP Packet Ensemble Protocol
CSP Compucom Speedmodem
-> ZYX Zyxel series 16800 bps (implies V32b and V42b)
-> V32T V.32 Terbo 19200 bps (implies V32b)
VFC V.Fast Class 28800 bps (should imply V32b and V42b)
If a flag directly or indirectly implies other flags, then these
other flags are not shown in a nodelist entry, because this would
be redundant. Unfortunately the rules for redundancies in zone 2
and FTS-0005 are different. Zone 2 continued to avoid redundancy
with most "new" flags, but FTS-0005.003 specified no redundancies
for "new" flags like ZYX, H16, V32T, or VFC. "New" flags in this
context are flags approved by FidoNet International Coordinators
since 1989, when FTS-0005.TXT, the predecesssor of FTS-0005.003,
was published.
For details see the chapter "implications" below, for now only
note, that in zone 2 H16 implies V42b, ZYX implies V32b and V42b,
and V32T implies V32b.
Zone 1 and zone 2 have introduced a user flag Z19 approved by the
corresponding Zone Coordinator. User flags are discussed later,
for now only note, that in zone 2 ZYX is specified as Zyxel 16k8,
while FTS-0005.003 not knowing Z19 specifies ZYX as generic flag
for all Zyxel protocol speeds.
Today only one node in FidoNet still really flies MAX, this flag
is obsolete and should be dropped from FTS-0005. The flags CSP
(7 nodes worldwide) and H96 should be marked as obsolescent.
| MNP Microcom Networking Protocol 2-4 error correction
| V42 ITU-T LAP-M error correction w/ fallback to MNP 2-4
| V42b ITU-T V.42bis BTLZ data compression over V.42 LAP-M
The next version of FTS-0005 should adopt the better V42b and
MNP definitions of the zone 3 nodelist epilogue. FTS-0005.003
specifies an implication of V42 by V42b, but the exact meaning of
the flag MNP is unclear. Most probably this flag was meant to
| indicate support of MNP 2-4, and in this sense V42 implies MNP.
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| Note the difference between the flag V42b (implying V42) and the
| standard V.42bis (not necessarily based on LAP-M as data link
| layer protocol), without this difference the flag V42b would be
| ambiguous for combined modem and ISDN node entries.
MN No compression supported in insecure inbound
XA Bark and WaZOO file/update requests
XB Bark file/update requests, WaZOO file requests
XC Bark file requests, WaZOO file/update requests
XP Bark file/update requests
XR Bark and WaZOO file requests
XW WaZOO file requests
XX WaZOO file/update requests
These flags are equivalent in FTS-0005 and in the zone 2 segment.
Gx..x Gateway to domain 'x..x'
Valid values for this flag are assigned by the Fido International
Coordinator, FTS-0005.003 explicitly mentions GUUCP. In zone 2
only GUUCP gateways are flagged.
#01 Zone 5 mail hour (01:00 - 02:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
#02 Zone 2 mail hour (02:30 - 03:30 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
-> #08 Zone 4 mail hour (08:00 - 09:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
#09 Zone 1 mail hour (09:00 - 10:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
#18 Zone 3 mail hour (18:00 - 19:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
#20 Zone 6 mail hour (20:00 - 21:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
The variants !01, !02, !08, !09, !18, and !20 indicate missing
Bell 212A support. In zone 2 #02 or !02 would be obviously
redundant.
Today less than four 1200 modems (V22 or Bell 212A) are listed.
A future version of FTS-0005 should drop !mn variants together
with V21 and V22 flags.
Further most non-CM systems flagging #mn or !mn today probably
want to show additional online times instead of additional mail
hours. As soon as FSC-0062 flags have been approved by the IC
or adopted as FTS by the FTSC, the following version of FTS-0005
should mark #mn as obsolescent and recommend the more flexible
FSC-0062 flags (see below).
3. User flags
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An example for one of several problems in zone 2 with user flags:
...,U,Z19,V110H,V120L,V120H,X75,ENC,NEC
These flags indicate a modern Zyxel ISDN-modem and two additional
user flags ENC and NEC. This possible user flags string contains
34 characters, but at most 32 characters are allowed in FTS-0005.
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...,U,Z19,V110L,V110H,X75,ISDNA,ISDNB,ISDNC
During the period for the replacement of old by new ISDN flags
(several months !) many nodes listed both old and new flags for
maximal compatibility, and no problems with nodelist compilers
or mailers caused by too long user flags strings were reported.
Therefore the length limit in FTS-0005 is probably unnecessary
and at least inconsequent: Other nodelist fields like the system
name are unlimited, so why only restrict the user flags string ?
To help developpers an upper limit of e.g. 255 characters for a
nodelist line and 63 characters for fields 3 to 6 would be more
useful.
The next problem with user flag strings as specified in FTS-0005
is their introduction by the letter U with no comma following:
Nodelist compilers could parse ...,UISDN,USR in user flags ISDN
and USR. But USR cannot be approved as "real" flag, because the
combination ...,USR,UISDN would then be parsed in SR and UISDN.
Other side effects of the FTS-0005 specification are additional
difficulties in finding flags. Almost all flags are separated
by a comma, only the first user flag can be an exception to this
simple rule. If the order of user flags has no meaning, then...
...,UV120L,V120H
...,UV120H,V120L
... are equivalent. A "simple" solution of this problem could be
to treat UV120L as synonym for V120L, and UV120H as synonym for
V120H. Similar problems show up, if user flags are counted, etc.
Obviously a nodelist compiler looking for user flags has always
to consider the case "user flag separated by comma". In zone 2
this idea was simply extended to the first user flag:
All flags are separated by commas. Flags not yet approved by the
International Coordinator or the FTSC (i.e. user flags only used
experimentally or locally) are separated by a new pseudo flag U.
-> U pseudo flag to the left of at least one user flag
All flags following this pseudo flag U are user flags, all flags
before this pseudo flag are "real" flags specified in FTS-0005 or
approved by the International Coordinator.
Because this definition should be compatible with any reasonable
software implementation based on FTS-0005.003, and simplifies the
handling of user flags significantly, a future FTS-0005 version
will hopefully adopt it.
4. Approved zone 2 user flags
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In zone 2 user flags have to be approved by the Zone Coordinator.
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Currently the following zone 2 user flags exist:
-> V110L ITU-T V.110 19k2 async 'Low' (former ISDNA)
-> V110H ITU-T V.110 38k4 async 'High' (former ISDNB)
-> V120L ITU-T V.120 56k6 async, N1 = 259, W = 7, modulo 8
-> V120H ITU-T V.120 64k async, N1 = 259, W = 7, modulo 8
-> X75 ITU-T X.75 SLP (single link procedure),
64kbit/s B channel; layer 2 max. framesize N1 = 2048,
window size W = 2, frame numbering modulo 8;
layer 3 transparent (no packet layer)
-> ISDN Other configuration, used only if none of above fits
These ISDN flags follow the specification in FSC-0091.
-> Tyz Online time flags as specified in FSC-0062
The flag Tyz is used by non-CM nodes online not only during ZMH,
y is a letter indicating the start and z a letter indicating the
end of the online period as defined below (times in UTC):
A 0:00, a 0:30, B 1:00, b 1:30, C 2:00, c 2:30,
D 3:00, d 3:30, E 4:00, e 4:30, F 5:00, f 5:30,
G 6:00, g 6:30, H 7:00, h 7:30, I 8:00, i 8:30,
J 9:00, j 9:30, K 10:00, k 10:30, L 11:00, l 11:30,
M 12:00, m 12:30, N 13:00, n 13:30, O 14:00, o 14:30,
P 15:00, p 15:30, Q 16:00, q 16:30, R 17:00, r 17:30,
S 18:00, s 18:30, T 19:00, t 19:30, U 20:00, u 20:30,
V 21:00, v 21:30, W 20:00, w 20:30, X 23:00, x 23:30.
For example TuB shows an online period from 20:30 until 1:00 UTC.
-> Z19 Zyxel series 19200 bps (implies ZYX)
-> X2C x2 client w/ 56000 bps (should imply V34 and V42b)
-> X2S x2 server w/ 64000 bps (should imply V34 and V42b)
-> K12 Systems offering all educational K12-conferences
-> ENC The node accepts inbound encrypted mail
-> NC Network Coordinator (only if the NC is not the host)
-> NEC Net Echomail Coordinator (at most one per net)
-> REC Region Echomail Coordinator (at most one per region)
Redundant AKAs used to indicate echomail coordination in zone 2
are no longer permitted. One *EC flag is valid for all AKAs of
a given sysop.
5. Flag implications
--------------------
Flag implications directly or indirectly specified in FTS-0005:
HST => MNP
H14 => MNP HST
H16 => MNP HST H14
V42b => V42 (MNP ?)
V32b => V32
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Flag implications specified in the zone 2 nodelist epilogue:
HST => MNP
H14 => HST MNP
-> H16 => V42 MNP V42b H14 HST
-> V42b => V42 MNP
-> ZYX => V42 MNP V42b V32 V32b
-> Z19 => V42 MNP V42b V32 V32b ZYX
V32b => V32
-> V32T => V32 V32b
-> V110L => ISDN
-> V110H => ISDN
-> V120L => ISDN
-> V120H => ISDN
-> X75 => ISDN
The latter ISDN flag redundancies are a consequence of FSC-0091.
Maybe some of the following implications could be added in zone 2:
VFC => V32 V32b MNP V42 V42b
X2C => V34 MNP V42 V42b
X2S => V34 MNP V42 V42b
Flag implications (i.e. not listing redundant flags) have several
advantages: Some old nodelist tools are unable to handle too long
lines. Old flags like HST, MNP, V42, or V32 vanish automatically,
if they are implied by H16, V42b, V32b, or better. Redundancies
defined globally for the whole nodelist help to avoid flag errors.
6. Invalid combinations
-----------------------
All file request flags exclude each other (at most 1 is possible):
XA, XB, XC, XP, XR, XW, and XX. For flag checkers only supporting
implications a good approximation based on FTS-0005 definitions is
| XA => XW XR XP XB XC XX,
| XB => XW XR XP,
| XC => XW XR XX,
| XR => XW,
| XX => XW.
Further X2C cannot be combined with X2S, and FSC-62 Tyz-flags are
not possible with CM. Also Tyz with y = z is of course incorrect.
Some modem protocols are "proprietary" in a sense, that all today
known modems can fly at most one of the corresponding modem flags:
MAX, CSP, H96, PEP, HST, H14, H16, ZYX, and Z19.
A few "old" modem protocol flags are known to be invalid if used
together with "new" protocol flags, i.e. each "old" flag excludes
all "new" flags and vice versa:
"Old" in this sense are MAX, CSP, H96, HST, H14, V32, and PEP.
"New" in this sense are X2S, X2C, V34, VFC, V32T, and H16.
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For Z2 add ZYX as "old" and Z19 as "new". A simple REXX script to
test some known inconsistencies is available as NLSCHECK.REX at
the site of the author. While erroneously listing redundant flags
causes no harm, other errors like combining V34 with HST or Z19
with H16 indicate serious problems, which can result in connection
failures or other damage.
7. Baud rate field
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The baud rate field 7 in the nodelist as specified in FTS-0005 is
nearly useless today: Except from a few remaining 1200 and 2400
nodes almost all nodelist entries show either 9600 for all modem
protocols better than V22bis or 300 for ISDN (or IP) only nodes.
No more V21 or Bell 103 modems are listed for more than 2 years.
The baud rate values 19200 and 38400 specified in FTS-0005.003
have not been used in the FidoNet nodelist. So all a reasonable
nodelist compiler can do today, is treat 300 as indicator for
ISDN or IP only, and treat unknown or missing values in field 7
like 9600.
A new meaning for field 7 as speed field could be really useful.
An example is ZYX, if we would have 16800, 19200, 28800, and 33600
as speed values, then their combination with ZYX is all we need
technically, Z19 would be unnecessary. Another example is HST,
flags H14 and H16 are unnecessary, if HST is combined with 9600,
14400, 16800, 28800, or better. Variants of PEP could be shown in
the speed field without new flags. "Enhanced V32.terbo" could be
shown by 21600.
Most important: V34 may have the famous bug not allowing connects
from new "V34+", unless the caller disabled symbol rate 3429. If
"V34+" is indicated by speed 33600 or better, then an appropriate
setup for all kinds of V34 connects is possible.
A future version of FTS-0005 hopefully allows the following speed
values in field 7:
300 reserved for ISDN or IP only (for historical reasons)
1200 obsolete (either V.22 in Z2 / Z3, or Bell 212A in Z1)
2400 implies V22bis, qualifies as least common denominator
9600 default, used with PEP, V32, HST, H96, (CSP), (MAX)
12000 rare variant of V32
14400 used with V32b or HST (obsoleting H14)
16800 used with ZYX or HST (obsoleting H16)
19200 used with V32T or ZYX (obsoleting Z19)
21600 rare variant of V32T (no "H21" needed)
28800 used with VFC or V34
33600 used with V34 (no V34+ or V34b needed)
| 56000 used with X2C, X2S, or V.PCM
Allowing more than 12 speed values or allowing speed values above
64000 could break existing software (MakeNL, V7). Therefore the
next step in FidoNet could be, to add 12000, 14400, 16800, 19200,
21600, 28800, 33600, and 56000, where 19200 is already specified
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in FTS-5 since 1989.
8. Thanks to...
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Ben Baker St. Louis nodelist format
Rick Moore FTS-0005.TXT
David Nugent FTS-0005.003 and NLTOOLS
Jonny Bergdahl ERRFLAGS 2.6
Ward Dossche Zone 2 nodelist epilogue
David J. Thomas FSC-0062.003 (FRL-0062)
Jan Ceuleers FSC-0075.001 (FRL-0075)
Arjen Lentz FSC-0091.001 (FRL-0091)
Leonard Erickson CHECKNL 2.14 and many discussions in NET_DEV
Jim Barchuk LNDL 2.7
Marius Ellen FASTV7 2.04
| Jan Vermeulen, Ian Smith, Gisbert Rudolph, Carlos Fernandez Sanz,
| Tom Schlangen, Craig Ford, Pedro Lima, and many others...
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Responses to articles in 14-47
by Lee Kindness, wangi@earthling.net
A number of responses from articles in FIDONEWS 14-47
Things really do from bad to worse...
> From: Rich Veraa
> Subj: Unsolved Mysteries, "How far from Ontario to Malaysia?"
> Host,163,Ottawa_163,Ottawa_ON,Christine_Labonte,
> 1-613-742-7612,9600,XA,CM,V42b,V32b
> ,134,Valley_of_Wind,Kuala_Lumpur_MALAYSIA,Maulvi_Bakar,
> 60-3-712-5570,9600,V34, V32b,V42b,ZYX,MNP,CM,XA
> Does anyone know howcome a net in Ontario lists a node in Malasia?
And can I ask you why it matters? This sort of geographical nonsense
is damaging to Fidonet - it merely gives some "power hungry fiends"
something to worry about. Do a bit of research and find out about
Fidonet in Asia and you might see why a node would want to be in zones
1 or 2...
> From: "Piotr Kosibowicz" <kosi333@polbox.com>
> Subject: How to defend against defaming in a public
> conference?, "Echomail defamation?"
> I am writing for the advice how to force a fidouser to send
> an apology note to a Polish conference BUY_SELL.POL.
Dry your eyes man. Fidonet is not about forcing anyone to do
anything.
> From: Steve Woodmore <steve@proteus.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: have your retired again?, "Ex-ZEC2 confirms
FIDONEWS 14-48 Page 12 1 Dec 1997
> leaving FidoNet"
> The same old thing, every time you try and achieve
> something, there are always people being destructive
> and disruptive. [...]
Life then?
> Come and visit the worlds fastest talker If you thought
> you could talk fast, then you are wrong As featured in
> the 1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995,1996,1997 Guinness Book of
<Yawn>, yes Steve - but you never could COMMUNICATE!
But it's nice to see some people still doing the 'decent' thing. Hail
Damian Walker and congratulations to Odinn Sorensen, lets hope you're
a touch more active than Mr. Nugent was in his later years as FTSCC.
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New Echos you may not be aware of!
by: Bobby Queen 1:3667/5 changing to 1:18/178 on 11/28/97
I just wanted to make everyone aware of some new echos that i have
been able to get backboned recently. Some are a month old or older
but not many participants yet.
LORD2_CHAT These 3 are devoted to Lord II the new Online game from
LORD2_SYSOP Seth Able Robinson the author of the original L.O.R.D.
LORD2_IGM and Planets TEOS!
IRC_CHAT These are real new and are devoted to Internet Relay
IRC_SCRIPTS Chat discussions known as IRC.
ART_BELL Devoted to discussing the Art Bell show.
Then here are some older ones that I recently updated or are still
needing participants.
ET_SIGHTINGS Devoted to sightings of Extra Terrestrials.
I_UFO May soon be merged with ET_SIGHTINGS. Watch for a
notice on this in the future.
WILDCAT4 For discussions pertaining to the dos version of Wildcat.
WC4DOS For discussions pertaining to the dos version of Wildcat.
And then 2 that are going strong but I still welcome more of you to
AREAFIX.
NASCAR For discussions of NASCAR stock car racing in all forms.
CLASSIFIEDS For individuals to buy, sell and trade their personal
items.
So AREAFIX your choices today and join in on the fun in all these
exciting echos.
Bobby Queen
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NET HUMOR
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From: "Mike Riddle" <mriddle@papillion.ne.us>
To: "Baker, Christopher" <cbaker84@digital.net (Christopher Baker)>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 08:49:22 -0600
Reply-To: "Mike Riddle" <mriddle@monarch.papillion.ne.us>
Subject: FWD - Humor
==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
A man was walking along the beach and found a bottle. He looked
around and didn't see anyone so he opened the bottle. A genie
appeared and thanked the man for letting him out. The genie said, "I
am so grateful to get out of that bottle that I will grant you one
wish." I can only grant one."
The man thought for a while and finally said, "I have always wanted to
go to Hawaii. I've never been able to go because I cannot fly.
Airplanes are too frightening for me. On a boat, I see all that water
and I become very claustrophobic. So I wish for a road to be built
from here to Hawaii. The genie thought for a few minutes and finally
said, "No, I don't think I can do that. Just think of all the work
involved. Consider all the pilings needed to hold up a highway and
how deep they would have to go to reach the bottom of the ocean.
Imagine all the pavement needed. No, that is just too much to ask."
The man thought for a few minutes and then told the genie, "There is
one other thing I have always wanted. I would like to be able to
understand programmers. What makes them laugh and cry, why are they
temperamental, why are they so difficult to get along with.
Basically, what makes them tick."
The genie considered for a few minutes and said, "So, do you want two
lanes or four?"
===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
-30-
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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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*Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo
Emanuel Edwards
1:348/963
emanuel@pangea.ca
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\___/ \__/
Hello All Sysops & Co_Sysops:
What is the biggest problem on fidonet these days? Most users are
leaving fidonet and going on the internet. Well if you want to get
more users on your BBS I suggest you request the WRESTLING_CHAT on
your BBS.
The WRESTLING_CHAT provide all the latest news, rumors, Scoops and
Upcoming events in the Wrestling world. Plus the users can enjoy
chatting about the sport with other great wrestling fans. The
WRESTLING_CHAT provide a great atmosphere for the users on your BBS.
If you need additional information please contact me either on my
fidonet or internet address.
Thank you
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Internet emanuel@pangea.ca
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NOTICES
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Future History
10 Dec 1997
Nobel Day, Sweden.
12 Jan 1998
HAL 9000 is one year old today.
30 Apr 1998
Queens Day, Holland.
17 May 1998
Independence Day, Norway.
22 May 1998
Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.
14 Sep 1998
Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].
22 Sep 1998
First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.
1 Dec 1998
Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
Tom Jennings.
24 Jul 1999
XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
31 Dec 1999
Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
1 Jan 2000
The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
1 Jun 2000
EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
15 Sep 2000
Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
1 Jan 2001
This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================
Latest Greatest Software Versions
by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264
Got a little behind here. With one exception that requires a bit of
clarification, this catches things up.
-=- Snip -=-
Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column
OS Platform :
Software package name :
Version :
Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
Freeware / Shareware / Commercial? :
Author / Support staff contact name :
Author / Support staff contact node :
Magic name (at the above-listed node) :
Please include a sentence describing what the package does.
Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264
-=- Snip -=-
MS-DOS:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Act-Up 4.6 G D Chris Gunn 1:15/55 ACT-UP
ALLFIX 4.40 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 ALLFIX
Announcer 1.12 O S Peter Karlsson 2:206/221 ANNOUNCE
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOS_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_DOS
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
CheckPnt 1.0a O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 CHECKPNT
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FASTECHO
FastEcho/16 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FEX
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTD
FidoBBS (tm) 12u B S Ray Brown 1:1/117 FILES
FrontDoor 2.12 M S JoHo 2:201/330 FD
FrontDoor 2.20c M C JoHo 2:201/330 FDINFO
GEcho 1.00 T S Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Plus 1.11 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GED
GoldED/386 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEX
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
Imail 1.75 T S Michael McCabe 1:1/121 IMAIL
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ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
InfoMail/86 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFOMAIL
InfoMail/386 1.21 O F Damian Walker 2:2502/666 INFO386
InterEcho 1.19 T C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IEDEMO
InterMail 2.29k M C Peter Stewart 1:369/35 IMDEMO
InterPCB 1.52 O S Peter Stewart 1:369/35 INTERPCB
IPNet 1.11 O S Michele Stewart 1:369/21 IPNET
JD's CBV 1.4 O S John Dailey 1:363/277 CBV
Jelly-Bean 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY
Jelly-Bean/386 1.01 T S Rowan Crowe 3:635/727 JELLY386
JMail-Hudson 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-H
JMail-Goldbase 2.81 T S Jason Steck 1:285/424 JMAIL-G
MakePl 1.9 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MAKEPL
Marena 1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 MARENA
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAX
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUE
McMail 1.0 M S Michael McCabe 1:1/148 MCMAIL
MDNDP 1.18 N S Bill Doyle 1:388/7 MDNDP
Msged 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41D.ZIP
Msged/386 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41X.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFD
NorthStar 3.31.29 B S A&B Darin 1:285/82 NSTAR
Opus CBCS 1.79 B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14 OPUS
O/T-Track 2.66 O S Peter Hampf 2:241/1090 OT
PcMerge 2.8 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
PlatinumXpress 1.3 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PX13TD.ZIP
QuickBBS 2.81 B S Ben Schollnick 1:2613/477 QUICKBBS
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR
RemoteAccess 2.50 B S Mark Lewis 1:3634/12 RA
Searchlight 4.5 B S Paul Casey 1:343/117 DEMO450.ZIP
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
Silver Xpress
Door 5.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 FILES
Reader 4.4 O S Gary Petersen 1:290/111 SXR44.ZIP
Spitfire 3.51 B S Mike Weaver 1:3670/3 SPITFIRE
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISH
StealTag UK 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_UK
StealTag NL 1.c... O F Fred Schenk 2:284/412 STEAL_NL
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL
Telegard 3.02 B F Tim Strike 1:259/423 TELEGARD
Terminate 5.00 O S Bo Bendtsen 2:254/261 TERMINATE
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
TosScan 1.01 T C JoHo 2:201/330 TSINFO
TransNet 1.00 G S Marc S. Ressl 4:904/72 TN100ALL.ZIP
TriBBS 11.0 B S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIBBS
TriDog 11.0 T F Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRIDOG
TriToss 11.0 T S Gary Price 1:3607/26 TRITOSS
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
WWIV 4.24a B S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIV
WWIVTOSS 1.36 T S Craig Dooley 1:376/126 WWIVTOSS
xMail 2.00 T S Thorsten Franke 2:2448/53 XMAIL
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XRDOS
OS/2:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ALLFIX/2 1.10 T S Harald Harms 2:281/415 AFIXOS2
BGFAX 1.60 O S B.J. Guillot 1:106/400 BGFAX
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BOS2_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_OS2
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastEcho 1.46.1 T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400 FE2
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLST
FleetStreet 1.21 O S Michael Hohner 2:2490/2520 FLEET
FP-OS/2 97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow 323/107 FPOS2
GEcho/Pro 1.20 T C Bob Seaborn 1:140/12 GECHO
GIGO 07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler 1:1/141 INFO
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
GoldNODE 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEN
ImCrypt 1.04 O G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 IMCRYPT
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXP
Max User Ed. 0.18 O F Larry Cooke 1:300/53 MUEP
Msged/2 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41O.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEF
PcMerge 2.3 N G Michiel vd Vlist 2:500/9 PCMERGE
RAR 2.01 C S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 RAR2
Squish 1.11 T P Tech 1:249/106 SQUISHP
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAIL2
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
WaterGate 0.93 G S Robert Szarka 1:320/42 WTRGATE
XRobot 3.01 O S JoHo 2:201/330 XROS2
Windows (16-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
FrontDoor APX 1.12 P S Mats Wallin 2:201/329 FDAPXW
Windows (32-bit apps):
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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Argus 95/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 A9I
Argus NT/IP 2.704 M S Max Masyutin 2:469/77 ANI
BeeMail 1.0 M C Andrius Cepaitis 2:470/1 BEEMAIL
Binkley Docs 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BDOC_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm 2.60 M F Bob Juge 1:1/102 BW32_260.ZIP
BinkleyTerm-XE XR5 M F Thomas Waldmann 2:2474/400 BTXE_W32
CFRoute 0.92 O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70 CFR
FastLst 1.36 N S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 FASTLSTW
GoldED 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEO
GoldED Docs 2.50 O S Len Morgan 1:203/730 GEM
Maximus 3.01 B P Tech 1:249/106 MAXN
Msged/NT 4.10 O G Andrew Clarke 3:635/728 MSGED41W.ZIP
NEF 2.38 O S Alberto Pasquale 2:332/504 NEFW
PlatinumXpress 2.00 M C Gary Petersen 1:290/111 PXW-INFO
Searchlight 5.02 B C Paul Casey 1:343/117 SLBBS50.TXT
T-Mail 2.600 M S Ron Dwight 2:220/22 TMAILNT
WinFOSSIL/95 1.12 r4 F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 WNFOSSIL.ZIP
WinFOSSIL/NT 1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff 1:343/294 NTFOSSIL.ZIP
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Unix:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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ifmail 2.12 M G Eugene Crosser 2:293/2219 IFMAIL
ifmail-tx ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX
ifmail-tx.rpm ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga 2:293/2219 IFMAILTX.RPM
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
Amiga:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
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CrashMail 1.31 T X Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHMAIL
CrashTick 1.2 O F Rene Laederach 2:301/133 CRASHTICK
DLG Pro BBOS 1.15 B C Holly Sullivan 1:202/720 DLGDEMO
GMS 1.1.85 M S Mirko Viviani 2:331/213 GMS
Msged 4.00 O G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 MSGED
Tobruk 0.33 T G Paul Edwards 3:711/934 TOBRUK
TrapDoor 1.86.b2 M S Maximilian Hantsch
2:310/6 TRAPDOOR
TrapToss 1.50 T S Rene Hexel 2:310/6 TRAPTOSS
Atari:
Program Name Version F C Contact Name Node Magic Name
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ApplyList 1.00 N F Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2 M F Bill Scull 1:363/112 BINKLEY
BTNC 2.00 N G Daniel Roesen 2:2432/1101 BTNC
JetMail 0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker 2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
Semper 0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten 2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA
Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
be listed by the first match.
Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source
Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264
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FIDONET BY INTERNET
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
of this appearance.
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FidoNet:
Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
FidoNews http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
HTML FNews http://www.fidonews.org
WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
FTSC page http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm
Echomail http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
Region 13: http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm
Region 14: [disappeared?]
Region 15: [disappeared?]
Region 16: http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm
Region 17: http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
REC17: http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/
Region 18: http://www.citicom.com/fido.html
Region 19: http://www.compconn.net
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
ZEC2: http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)
Region 25:
http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (in French)
Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (in Swiss)
Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (in Spanish)
REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)
Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
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Zone 4: (not yet listed)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
Editor: Christopher Baker
Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
Donald Tees
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