FidoNews · Vol 21, No 21 · 24 May 2004
The F I D O N E W S Volume 21, Number 21 24 May 2004
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Copyright 2004 by Fidonews Editor for Fidonews Globally.
Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2
The secret ZCC? .......................................... 2
2nd part ................................................. 3
3. REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES ........................... 6
Re: Open letter to the nodes of Zone-2 ................... 6
4. BEST OF FIDONET .......................................... 9
5. IN THE SNOOZE TEN YEARS AGO .............................. 11
The Italian Crackdown?? .................................. 11
6. BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................... 14
FIDONet Software References .............................. 14
7. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 19
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 19
8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 21
How to Submit an Article ................................. 21
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 23
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EDITORIAL
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Well, last week's issue sure stirred up some dust, as can be seen in
this issue, where most of the text is about the latest ZCC action.
But I'm also starting to look forward a bit. Come this December the
Snooze will be exactly 20 years old. That week, I plan to publish the
very first issue. But in the meantime, if for nothing else to keep me
reminded of the upcoming 20th birthday, I thought it would be nice to,
each week from now on, read something that was published in the Snooze
ten years ago, if noone has any objections of course...
Ten years ago, the top story was about the scandalous events that
took place in Italy, where the police raided many of the BBSs,
effectively shutting the entire Italian region down.
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GENERAL ARTICLES
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The secret ZCC?
By: Renato Zambon, 4:801/161
Björn, you gave me an idea :-) You can remember in last ZCC decision
I did open my vote and considerations. Now, instead of open only my
vote, I'll wide open the ZCC, you and anybody else who have curiosity
can download all msgs from this mysterious echo since sep/2003 from
http://www.rbt.com.br/zcc2004.zip (258 msgs in JAM and QWK formats),
freq/dnload it from my BBS, read them and get your own conclusions.
Please add this message to the next fidonews edition, with this file
inside (166kb) if possible.
Now we have a new IC elected by 5x1 votes and a funny reaction from
Ward (who I did defend in some points as you can verify in the msgs)
to attempt decree void this decision and the ZCC, or maybe just an
excuse to don't recognize it.
What does all this situation mean? Maybe nothing: echomail, netmail
and filecho are flowing normally, with, without and in spite of the
*Cs and theirs endless discussions.
[]s
Renato Zambon, 4:801/161, 4:4/0
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2nd part
By: Renato Zambon, 4:801/161
Hi Björn!
Please, the message was ok but don't pack that file with the fidonews,
it's not available anymore in the site nor in my BBS. That's a demand
from Malcolm and Janis to decide about this in ZCC before.
And please, add this message in sequence to the other for fidonews.
Anyway, the prank is done, and some did see it already :) Here are
some comments collected, positive in general:
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Gordon Lewicky:
Thank you very much, Renato, for your insight.
Everybody should grab it. :)
Gordon Lewicky (to Malcolm Miles):
I grabbed the archive that Renato put together of the ZCC area last
night and read your platform response to him. To my very pleasent
surprise, you had stated all my beliefs as to how one should be an
IC, way before I stated them in here and other echos, without me
even knowing your stance.
I have no doubts that with you as the IC and along with your fellow
like-minded peers of the ZCC, Fidonet is now extremely well served.
Gordon Lewicky:
My take on it is I have a new respect for the thoughtfulness of
the ZCC.
Robert Bashe:
Very good. It would have been even better had Malcolm done this, or
for that matter Ward or Janis.
Dan Egli:
I did :> MOST informative. Puts a new _POSITIVE_ light on Ward I'd
not seen before. I still think it was time for him to go but I'm not
so sure he's a rotten SOB anymore. At least, not for as long as I
had origonally thought.
Douglas Connor:
Thank you for the zcc files :)
Manuel Adorni (his question was how to crosspost in GoldED :) ):
¿Que se ponia al principio del mensaje cuando queres que se auto-
copie en otras áreas?
Ioram Sette (received that with humor):
hahahahhahaa O tempo passa e essas briguinhas continuam! :P
Nem acreditei qdo li...
Sinceramente, nessa altura do campeonato, o que faltava era um racha
na Fido! hahahaha Se isso acontecer, a gente recria a RBT! LOL!
Janis Kracht (didn't aprove, but received it in good temper):
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Yes, I saw that.. all I could do was laugh (...)
Without all of our permissions :)
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This quote from one of my messages to Ward is interesting too:
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>> Inevitable that an inter-zone issue between two "big" zones would
>> be decided by the smaller ones. If Z5 and 6 had abstained and not
>> counted you would still have 2x1 and the same result.
WD> Not if I had voted along ... the honourable thing would have been
WD> for Janis to remove herself from the voting as she was in the line
WD> of appeal ... as I have done. Right now it means that the ZCC has
"If after a period of 30 days ending February 24th 2004 at the same
time of this mail the ZCC has not overturned this ruling by a majority
vote then it becomes enforceable. As there are 6 listed ZC's the
majority needed to overturn this ruling is "4" ZC's."
Yes if you had voted, in your own words. Moreover, when you counted
4 as majority of the ZCs, you were including your and her votes as
not only valid ones for the matter but required to form a majority.
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And this from Malcolm:
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If elected I will remain as IC for a limited period, either one or two
years. After that time, another election will be held at which I may
choose to stand for re-election. I believe that no *C position in
Fidonet should be appointed for life. (... ...)
If elected IC I would also take closely to heart the words of Policy 4
where the IC is described as the first among equals. While the IC may
be spokesman of the ZCC, all ZCs should be able to participate equally
in any decision to be made. I don't believe that this is currently
happening.
I would not go around bad-mouthing zones or ZCs, each zone has an
equal right to representation on the ZCC, irrespective of their size.
I also believe that having an IC from one of the smaller zones may
help reduce some of the tension and antagonism between the two
largest zones.
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And finally my vote posted there:
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There are two weeks that Janis called for this votation and five days
since Malcolm confirmed himself as candidate. Even if the result is
already clear, I'll send my vote as promised for today.
Thanks to Janis, Malcolm, Ward and Bin Li for the replies to some of
my questions. Unfortunately Richard seems haven't readed my msgs here
and opted for a personal offense on the same basis he was angry when
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Ward made it. I never offended any other ZC and hope the same respect.
I do admire Ward work in Z2, have the better organized segment while
in the largest zone definitely isn't an easy task. He has shown many
times be attentive to any problem in nodelist, from his own and other
zones. Despite the size disproportion, I do use the Z2 segment as a
good reference to be followed by Z4.
As said before, I didn't see Ward explicit will in remove zones, don't
believe he would try that, and I would oppose in this theoretical case
I think however that he didn't make enough effort to negate and avoid
that the rumor was spreaded from IC echo to some other areas, and that
he was sometimes offensive and stick on formalities to delay decisions
here. Janis seems sometimes hasty or dramatic. But both always helpful
when I needed for any reason.
I think there isn't much more to add for now, and I'll give this time
my vote to Malcolm Miles as new IC.
--------------------------------8<------------------------------------
I did suggest also before to ZC5 clean its ghost regions and ZC6
update its own nodelist entry that has a voice phone listed as CM.
Bin Li said he is going to use a new 24/7 line for the next month,
and Richard already sent his considerations to IC echo.
It's boring have to read messages in many areas, endless discussions
in a foreign language, to decide rightly about these questions...
I think 99% of the nodes don't care if the IC is one, the other,
two as listed in this week nodelist or nobody. But good luck to
the new spokesman of the ZCC!
[]s
Renato Zambon, 4:801/161, 4:4/0
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REBUTTALS TO PREVIOUS ARTICLES
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Re: Open letter to the nodes of Zone-2
From : Robert Bashe 2:2448/44
To : Janis Kracht, Ward Dossche
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Janis Kracht wrote to Ward Dossche on Sunday May 16 2004 at 21:02:
I'm also addressing this to Ward, since although I'm talking to you,
this is also his concern.
JK> I'm so sorry Ward. If you'd kept up in the ZCC echo you'd see
JK> that you are no longer the IC and your edicts do not signify.
JK> Here's the post that I also attempted to deliver to Bjorn a few
JK> days ago...
You know, Janis, all this would be a good deal more convincing if you
would let Malcolm speak for himself. In fact, it would be even more
convincing if the ZCs of the "lost zones" would speak up and show
they're alive and kicking by something more than an occasional - or
specifically solicited - email to you.
As things are, I can't avoid the impression that you and Ward are
effectively the only persons involved here, and that the present mess
results from your resentment of Ward's judgement on Michiel van der
Vlist's complaint against Roy Witt.
You'll remember that I also thought Ward made a mistake on that call,
and said so here and elsewhere.
I also think he made a mistake in changing the ZCC voting rules, going
from a "one zone, one vote" situation to proportional representation
without the agreement of those concerned. I wrote him that in
enet.sysop, and append the text for your interest.
However, you may also note that I consider such a change neither
unfair nor undemocratic, merely inopportune and heedless of the
feelings and rights of the smaller (in nodes) zones. Presumably the
change stings in Z1 particularly, since by the same rules, no other
zone would have had anything to say about fido administration in
earlier times, when Z1 was the largest zone.
That's why I think it would be best to simply stick to the old rules -
while at the same time requiring anyone who wants to vote as a ZC to
actually _be_ an active ZC and not merely a nodelist entry or email
address without any sign of life for months and years. _That's_
something that doesn't sit well with Ward, and I can't say I blame him
for objecting.
Now, where's Malcolm? What does _he_ have to say, and I don't mean
filtered or passed on by you, but he himself? Does he agree with
something that effectively splits fido and eliminates the worldwide
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organization? Because that's what's happening now, forced both by you,
and in reaction by Ward.
You may be interested to hear that the first person has already asked
Ward whether now ZCs are also to be elected on the basis of
proporational representation of the regions, larger regions getting
more votes. The question, unsurprisingly, came from a Russian, since
on that basis the next Z2C would be Russian.
My point is this: you and Ward are at each others throats for no
better reason than both of you have been infected by the hotheads in
your respective zones. And the discord is threatening to tear fido
apart.
Why don't you two play politician - if Malcolm is more than just a
figurehead in this, he's naturally included - and attempt to get some
reasonable compromise, in the interest of fido? Forget the hotheads:
Roy Witt and Michiel van der Vlist simply aren't worth tearing fido
apart.
How about this: the questionable ZCC "election" just past is
considered void, the same goes for Ward's change in voting rules, and
both of you get together to try to get some kind of reasonable scheme
for any future disagreements that won't immediately lead to such
confrontation.
Both of you would be doing fido a great favor.
Cheers, Bob
= ENET.SYSOP (2:2448/44) =============================================
Msg : 476 of 500 Snt Loc Scn
From : Robert Bashe 2:2448/44 Mon 17 May
To : Ward Dossche
Subj : Open letter to the nodes of Zone-2 (from a Fidonews submission
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Ward Dossche wrote to All on Monday May 17 2004 at 00:27:
A great deal, which boils down - as far as I can see - to the
following:
- On the basis of past events, of which we are both aware, you decided
to weight the ZCC votes according to the existing (theoretical) sizes
of the zones in the nodelist. That would mean that, in contrast to the
past, Z2 would effectively dominate the ZCC, leaving you as Z2C _and_
IC free to do more or less what you please in administrative matters.
Such weighting is not unusual in voting matters, and is also not
"undemocratic", but if done without the consent of all concerned
logically leads to discord. You remember that in the US Congress, the
House of Representatives is selected on the basis of state populations
with the largest states having the most representatives = votes, but
the Senate is "one state, one vote". And that financing bills must
originate in the House, but also be approved by the Senate, so both
houses are interdependent.
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Your above move _replaces_, as it were, the Senate by the House.
And thus it is understandable that Z1, in the person of Janis Kracht -
and presumably any of the other zones still alive in a normal sense -
are up in arms. This is presumably the reason for your second piece of
information that:
- Z1/Janice is calling for replacement of the IC.
Frankly, unless you can work out some kind of dual system
(representation _and_ "one zone, one vote") I think the concern of the
other zones that they are out in the cold without an overcoat is not
unjustified.
The fact that you immediately used your new apportionment scheme to
defeat a ZCC vote calling for Malcolm Miles to become IC may have been
understandable, but was throwing oil on the fire, since that
demonstrates to the rest of the zones how little their votes count.
Actually nothing under the new scheme. They might as well not be
there, and you can be confident that Janice realizes that.
I discount your complaints about abusive language and "Nazi"
reflections, since from what I've seen in FN_SYSOP, the radicals from
Z2 give at least as good as they get. If you're going to come down on
one side, you must also come down on the other to be fair, or be
considered fair. But your own position has been anything but in the
middle, which makes that difficult and gives people on the side you
obviously disfavor the impression that this change in voting rules is
just an attempt to stifle the opposition.
Frankly, I in your position would have left things as they are, since
you have little to gain except more problems by rocking the boat at
this point. But now that the wasp's nest has hit the fan, all you can
do is try to arrange some kind of "one zone, one vote" system to
accomany the proportional voting system. Otherwise it's going to be
everyone against Z2, and unfortunately with some justification.
Cheers, Bob
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BEST OF FIDONET
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On: Tue 18 May 2004 13.22
By: Gordon Lewicky, 1:153/307
To: Jan Vermeulen
Re: International Coodinator
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<...snipp...>
But my main point, is it's now time to move on, Mud slinging and name
calling and chest thumping is immature and counter-productive. Our
main focus should only be about how do we increase the pleasure of our
hobby. How can we spread the word, share users, increase Fidonet's
visabilty in the point and click world out there.
I see a lot of people saying Fidonet is the echos. Hogwash! Fidonet is
the BBS's within the network. I have been flogging my users for years
to get them interested in the echos, and to this day, only a small
percentage of my users ever venture into them. However, they do msg
each other in the local areas, talk like crazy in the games, just love
beating up on other BBS's in IBBS and enjoy the fact that they can
converse with others from around the world in a secure environment,
not via the echos, but in the games, online chats, msgs to other
nodes, log off comments, and in the local msg areas. It's the
technology of FTN networks that spins the BBS world, not the network
itself. You and I as Fidonet sysops, are just cogs on the gears, with
the users of the world turning the crank which makes us work.
The biggest laugh is on ourselves, if we think the politics of Fidonet
has any meaning to BBS's. The plain and simple truth is all this
bru-ha-ha is meaningless to the people that count, our users. The
sooner we realize that Fidonet is nothing but a dedicated group of
puter nuts doing their best to push files back and forth, the sooner
we'll all have a smile on our face. :)
Fidonet is not about whether I can actually drop mail off at any
arbitrary system, who just happens to hate my guts, or who's the IC or
how many zones we have, or whether we should have 1 node nets.
It's about you and me, sitting at our desk, ensuring the system
operates as smoothly as we can make it, answering questions from the
users, getting files for them, helping them understand how modems
work, how to fix their puter problems, getting them unstuck in games,
talking them through some point and right-click road map to happiness
and answers on their system.
Fidonet is not about you or I, or Ward or Malcolm, or 20 or 2000, or
Vlist or Witt. It's all about our users.
Keep your users happy, you'll be happy. :)
Cheers...
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Gordon Lewicky (Pdk)
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IN THE SNOOZE TEN YEARS AGO
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The Italian Crackdown??
F I D O N E W S -- Vol.11 No.21 (23-May-1994)
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From: Fabrizio Sala <fsala@varano.ing.unico.it>
Hello. I'm the Sysop of one of the BBSs in Italy.
I'm writing this message in this list to inform you, the BBS
community, of what is going on in Italy.
Some days ago,starting from Pesaro (Italy), our Police started a
large perquisition through [inquisition against] many Amatorial
[amateur] BBSs, mostly connected to the main networks (One for
all: Fidonet... but also PeaceNet and many others)
They're getting everything they can find: computers, monitors,
drives, hard disks, floppy, cdrom, streamer tapes ...
everything, without looking if they are or not in any way
"illegal" ...
Generally, every network in Italy is now full of holes... and
many of us lost everything "in the name of the anti-piracy"...
Nobody of us is doing anything in any way illegal, but they are
still getting everything...
They got more than 50 BBS and Police's work is still going on...
I hope that everyone diffuses this message ... or in any way
tells everybody what's going on ...
...and if you have any way to help us...please do it!
We made our best to make the italian telecommunication scene
working... they are killing us!
See you later... if they don't get me!
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From: Cesare Dieni <cesare@gn.apc.org>
For your information I report what's happening in Italy at the moment
(N.B. after the last election a fascist governement succeded)....
Fidonet Crackdown in Italy
On May 10-12 1994, the first nationwide crackdown on telecom nets was
operated by Italian police.
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Acting after a warrant issued by a Prosecutor in Pesaro, about 60
Bullentin Board Systems throughout the country have been visited and
searched by police officials.
Dozens of people were formally accused of "distribution of illegally
copied software and appropriation of secret passwords" under the law
approved by Italian Parliament in January this year.
In several cases police officials didn't know what to search for,
thus seizing computers, floppy disks, modems along with electric
outlets, answering machines, audiotapes, personal effects.
The raids also hit private houses and belongings, and in some places
sleeping people were abruptly woken up facing machine guns.
After searching probably around one third of the entire network -
that includes more than 300 BBSes - police officials closed several
Fidonet nodes, but no arrests were made.
A still inaccurate figure of people were charged with software
piracy, and dozens of computers and related devices were seized -
along with thousands of floppy disks, CD-Roms, W.O.R.M.S.
Moving after a suspected software piracy ring run by people involved
in a Fidonet node, the crackdown started in the night between May 10
and 11 in Milano, targeting in the two following days BBSes in
Pesaro, Modena, Bologna, Ancona, Pisa and other cities.
Fidonet Italia, member of the worldwide Fidonet network, is a
non-profit organization devoted to distribution of shareware and
freeware programs as well as to electronic forums on topics ranging
from technological to social issues. An essential communication tool
for several groups and individuals throughout the country, Fidonet
Italia became an active multi-cultural vessel and distributor of
several different nodes dedicated to specific issues: Peacelink
(solidarity, human rights), Cybernet (cyberpunk), Ludonet (games),
Scoutnet, Amynet, and others. For thousands of Italian people,
Fidonet BBSes today are invaluable tools of information-exchange,
social activism and professional activities.
The network policy strictly prohibits any distribution of illegally
copied software and fraudulent appropriation of secret passwords.
Also, Fidonet is one of the few International organizations which has
always stated and pursued a clear position against unauthorized
copying software.
At the moment, the raids seems to be motivated by accusations against
two people involved in a Pesaro-based BBS who were using Fidonet
contacts to allegedly distribute illegal copies of computer programs.
However, there are no reasons for such a vast law enforcement
operation. Most likely the prosecutor acted simply on the basis of
the Fidonet telephone numbers list (publicly available) owned by the
two suspected of software piracy. The vast majority of the people
searched don't have any kind of relationship with the suspected, and
many of the search warrants stated a generic "conspiracy with
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unknown" for the crime of software piracy.
Particularly, the random and arbitrary seizures of floppy disks and
personal computers are completely unmotivated, because every BBS is a
completely independent structure and each sysop is running his/her
own hardware and software.
The seizures will resolve in a great economic loss for these people
and their professional activities will be surely affected from
negative publicity. Some of them own small computer-related companies
while others are physicians, hobbyists, students who risk personal
savings to run their services.
Because police officials also seized electronic and paper archives
containing data and numbers of the people who logged onto Fidonet
nodes, it is evident that investigations are going even further -
thus violating the constitutional right to privacy.
The first result of this crackdown is that many Fidonet operators
decided to shut down immediately their systems all over the country,
fearing heavier police intrusions in both their public activities and
private lives.
While the Italian Parliament recently approved specific laws about
copyright and piracy of computer software, there are still no rules
to protect personal privacy in the electronic medium. This
legislative void inevitably makes the sysop the only responsible
person about anything happens onto and around his/her own BBS.
Fidonet operators do not want and can not be the target of
undiscriminated raids that, forcing them to closing down their
activities, cause serious damages to themselves as well as to the
entire community.
In an article published Friday 13 by the newspaper "La Repubblica",
Alessandro Marescotti, Peacelink spokesperson, said: "Just when the
worldwide BBS scene is gaining general respect for its important role
at the community level, in Italy the law hits those networks that
have always been strongly against software piracy. Charging dozens of
honest operators with unmotivated accusations, the main goal of this
crackdown is directed against the social activities of small
community nets - thus clearing the space for commercial networking."
While terms and figures of the entire operation should still be
clarified, on Sunday 15 Fidonet Italia operators will meet in Bologna
to study any possible legal counter-action.
--
Cesare
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BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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BeeMail: |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net 1:105/10
Stephen Proffit | | beemail@gexonline.net
BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102
| | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998
BinkD |MI |http://2f.ru/binkd/
| | maloff@corbina.net
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FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280
Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net
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Fidonet to Internet: |MI |http://www.terminate.com
Bo Bendtsen | | sales@terminate.com
| | v2.00 on Mar 23rd 1997
FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330
Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101
| | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX
Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/
| | v1.4 RC2 on Sep 22nd 2003
InterMail, InterEcho |MT |http://www.ifido.com 1:1/133
| | bob@nwstar.com
| | v2.50 IM, v1.19 IE
Radius (based on |M |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38
Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
| | v4.009 on Jan 2nd 2003
Terminate |MBP |http://www.terminate.com
| | v5.00 on Aug 7th 1997
Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608
WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
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Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204
Software, Inc. | | AUP 450.2 on Jul 9th 2002
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Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org
| | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.4
FMail |T |http://fmail.nl.eu.org 2:280/1076
| | wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org v1.60
GEcho |T |ftp://ftp.nwstar.com 1:140/12
| | bob@nwstar.com
JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de
(ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000
Squish |T |http://www.lanius.com
| | sales@lanius.com v1.11
| |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/
Watergate |TUI |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/
| | ramon@sbbs.se
| | v0.93p9 on Dec 14th 1998
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BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net
| | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222
ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com
Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com
| | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002
EZYCom BBS |BT |http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~dcbbs/
| | pjs@optushome.com.au 3:633/104
| | v2.0 on 3 May 2003
Falken BBS |B |http://falkenbbs.com
| | v12.0 on Feb 2nd 2002
Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org
| | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final
Maximus BBS |B |http://www.lanius.com
| | sales@lanius.com v3.01
| |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/
MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802
Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
| | v0.33.21 on Jun 4th 2002
Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com
| | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001
Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net
| | groberts@nexusbbs.net
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| | v0.99.41.001 beta on Jun 10th 2001
Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be
| | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002
RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com
| | v2.62.2SW
Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150
| | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999
Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net
| | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
| | v3.10L Beta
Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net
| | support@telegard.net
| | v3.09g2 SP4
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Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
| | last update: Jun 2002
BBS Central |D |http://www.rpcomputers.com
Bentstone |D |http://www.srupc.com/mall
Capabilities Group | | info@stonebenders.com
Cheepware: |D |http://www.midnightshour.org/cheepware/
Sean Dennis | | hausmaus@midnightshour.org 1:11/200
DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201
Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
Ruth Argust | |
DoorMUD |D |http://www.dmud.thebbs.org
| | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
Elysium Software |D |http://www.elysoft.com
| | mpreslar@mailcity.com
Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
| | scott@jibben.com
| | 1995-99 Release dates
JNS Software: |D |http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/
Rusty Johnson | | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com
| | Tel: (304) 733-0113
John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
| | support@johndaileysoftware.com
LORD (Legend of the |D |http://www.lordlegacy.org
Red Dragon) Reborn | | mike@lordlegacy.org
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| | v4.06 on Feb 5th 2001
Lord-II IGMs |D |http://www.shelby.net/wizards/lord2igm/
PC Pursuits |D |http://www.pcpursuits.com
| | brucep@pop.kis.net
| | Tel: (301) 240-6653
Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
| | nannette@shiningstar.net
Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
| | Tel: (404) 256-9518
The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
| | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases
Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
| | jpritch@eisonline.com
| | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002
Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013
Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org
| | last update: Jul 17th 2002
(various) |D |http://www.webnexus.com/users/etow/
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APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de
| | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
| | v1.25 2:2426/1210.13
CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de
| | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999
FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460
| | support@freexp.de
| | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot)
OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004
| | mk@openxp.de v3.8.7 beta Aug 3rd 2002
PPoint |P |http://www.alcuf.ca 1:249/114
| | v3.04 on Jan 10th 2000
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GoldEd+ |E |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/ 2:203/6600
| | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003
SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de
| | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999
TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
| | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed
| | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267
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Allfix |U |ftp://ftp.nwstar.com 1:140/12
| | bob@nwstar.com
| | v5.13 (v6?)
GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com
| | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997
Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
(Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001
PeopleComm Terminal |CUI |http://www.peoplecomm.org 1:128/148
(BBS & Telnet w/ | | edward.williams@adelphia.net
ZModem) | | v1.01a on Feb 11th 2003
TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
| | transnet@ressl.com.ar
| | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998
TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.multiboard.com/software/
Communications, Inc.| | support@multiboard.com 1:2401/305
| | v3.5
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National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org
Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
(in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com
http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi
http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
Note: most also provide FTP access (use ftp:// vice http:// above)
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Note: Please send corrections & additions to: Ben Ritchey, 1:393/68
( or FReq Magic INFO direct for E-mail address )
WildCat! BBS at +1-337-232-4155 24/7 33.6kBps,8,N,1
Internet: http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/m/cmech617/fidosoft.txt
Emeritus: Todd Cochrane, Frank Vest, Peter Popovich
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SPECIAL INTEREST
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Nodelist Stats
Input nodelist nodelist.142
size 893.0kb
date 2004-05-21
The nodelist has 7532 nodes in it
and a total of 10283 non-comment entries
including 6 zones
56 regions
424 hosts
529 hubs
admin overhead 1015 ( 13.48 %)
and 1081 private nodes
323 nodes down
332 nodes on hold
off line overhead 1736 ( 23.05 %)
Speed summary:
>9600 = 630 ( 8.36 %)
9600 = 6528 ( 86.67 %)
(HST = 132 or 2.02 %)
(CSP = 1 or 0.02 %)
(PEP = 11 or 0.17 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.02 %)
(V32 = 3401 or 52.10 %)
(V32B = 328 or 5.02 %)
(V34 = 4410 or 67.56 %)
(V42 = 3694 or 56.59 %)
(V42B = 337 or 5.16 %)
2400 = 69 ( 0.92 %)
1200 = 6 ( 0.08 %)
300 = 299 ( 3.97 %)
ISDN = 620 ( 8.23 %)
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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 2466
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 8
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 12
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XP Seadog 6
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XR Opus 1.03 40
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XW Fido >12M 305
Tabby
KittenMail
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 3373
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
T-Mail
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None QMM 1322
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CrashMail capable = 2303 ( 30.58 %)
MailOnly nodes = 4198 ( 55.74 %)
Listed-only nodes = 584 ( 7.75 %)
Other = 447 ( 5.93 %)
[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]
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