FidoNews · Vol 29, No 9 · 27 Feb 2012
The F I D O N E W S Volume 29, Number 09 27 Feb 2012
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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2
A SECOND LIFE FOR THE LINKSYS Part 3 ..................... 2
3. COMMENTS ON PREVIOUS ARTICLES ............................ 5
Measuring the InterNet, The RIPE Atlas project ........... 5
4. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 6
FidoNet Software References .............................. 6
5. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 11
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 11
6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 13
How to Submit an Article ................................. 13
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 15
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement.
-- Karl R. Popper
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GENERAL ARTICLES
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A SECOND LIFE FOR THE LINKSYS Part 3
Drilling holes in the IPv6 Firewall
By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555
Last year I wrote two articles on how to set up an old Linksys WRT54GL
as a router for IPv6. If you missed it last year's Fidonews 31 and 32,
you can download them at:
http://www.vlist.org/downloads/fidonews/2011/ And probably from the
editor's system as well.
In these articles I described how to configure the Linksys as the end
point of a 6in4 tunnel and how to route an Ipv6 subnet to the LAN,
thereby providing IPv6 connectivity for the machines on the LAN. I
also described how to configure the Ipv4 NAT to forward ports to
specific host. For example for a web server or a binkp server. What
the articles did not cover is how to do the equivalent for IPv6. I had
not figured That out myself then. I have now, so here is my report.
First, forget about what is written on the subject in the OpenWrt
wiki. The method described there does not work.
Second, we have to understand that the mechanism for making a server
on your LAN available to the outside world is different for IPv4 and
IPv6. In IPv4 all machines on the LAN share one globally routeable
IPv4 address. The LAN is behind a NAT that translates to and from the
internal IP address on the LAN.
Without specific instructions the router does not know where to send
an unsollicited incoming packet and so it is dropped. A NAT has the
side effect of acting as a statefull firewall. To make a server
available one instructs the NAT to forward the port number for the
server to the internal address of the server.
In IPv6 there is no NAT. Every machine has - or at least can have -
its own unique globally routeable IPv6 address. There is no need to
tell the router where to send an unsollicited incoming packet. It
already knows because the packet has the unique address of the
destination.
Some say the absence of NAT in IPv6 is a security risk because every
machine is directly connected to the internet. But that is only true
for routers that lack a firewall. Technically it is perfectly OK to
have a router without a firewall. Then one needs to do nothing to
allow unsollicited incoming packets. each machine on the LAN will need
its own firewall.
The version of OpenWrt that this is all about does have an IPv6
firewall though and by default it is configured to reject all
unsollicited incoming packets. So we need not worry about machines
exposed to the internet. Unless of course we make a configuration
error.
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In IPv6 we are more flexible in what we allow or disallow than in
IPv4. In IPv4 we forward a specific port to a specific destination.
Most routers are limited to doing just that. So only protocols that
use ports can be forwarded. And usually it is limited to tcp and udp.
It is not possible for example to forward a ping.
In IPv6 we make an opening in the firewall for a specific destination.
We can add additional restrictions, such as port numbers or protocols,
but we need not. So we are not limited to protocols that use port
numbers as tcp and udp.
We can also allow ICMP that does not use port numbers.
Changes to the firewall are made by editing the file
/etc/config/firewall
Here is how to make the machine with address 2001:DB8::2462 pingable
from outside. We ONLY want to make it pingable, no more. So we
restrict the protocol to ICMP and the type to echo request.
Add the following lines to /ect/config/firewall:
[code]
# Allow ping6ing a specific host on the LAN
config rule
option src wan
option dest lan
option family ipv6
option proto icmp
option icmp_type echo-request
option dest_ip 2001:DB8::2462
option target ACCEPT
[/code]
If you have an IPv6 connection and want to see it work, you can ping6
my RIPE Atlas probe at atlas.vlist.eu.
For a binkp server we only want to allow what is needed to make that
work, So we restrict to port 24554 and protocol tcp.
[code]
# A binkp server on the Fido machine
config rule
option src wan
option dest lan
option family ipv6
option src-dport 24554
option proto tcp
option dest_ip 2001:DB8::f1d0:2:280:5555
option target ACCEPT
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[/code]
Note that changes made to the firewall configuration do not take
effect until the firewall is restarted. Either by rebooting the router
or by executing the following command: /etc/init.d/firewall restart
Enjoy.
⌐ Michiel van der Vlist, all rights reserved.
Permission to publish in the FIDONEWS file scho and the FIDONEWS
discussion echo as originating from 2:2/2
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COMMENTS ON PREVIOUS ARTICLES
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Measuring the InterNet, The RIPE Atlas project.
An erratum.
By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555
Last week I wrote that 50 of the Ripe atlas probe hosters had made
their probes public. This is an error, the correct figure is 850.
⌐ Michiel van der Vlist, all rights reserved.
Permission to publish in the FIDONEWS file echo and the FIDONEWS
discussion echo as originating from 2:2/2
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FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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-=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=-
Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info
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|Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
`- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84
| | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889
| | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001
BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102
| | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998
BinkD |MI |http://binkd.grumbler.org/ 2:463/69
| | v0.9.10 on Oct 2nd 2008
D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.net229.org/dbridge.htm 1:1/130
Nick Andre |I | v3.64 on June 4 2011
FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280
Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net
| | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003
FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330
Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101
| | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX
Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/
| | v1.4 RC5 on Apr 24th 2006
Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38
(based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
| | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005
Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70
| |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English)
(based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru
| | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004
Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608
| | Website is in Russian only
WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204
Software, Inc. | | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004
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Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org
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| | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.10
FMail |T |http://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/
| | v1.60.GPL
JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de
(ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000
Squish |T |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | Lanuis site redirects to above
| | Squish is part of Maximus.
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BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net
| | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222
ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com
Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com
| | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002
Ezycom BBS |BT |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com
| | ezycom@amnet.net.au or
| | ezycom_hq@ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682
| | v2.15g2 on 16 Nov 2009
Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org
| | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final
Maximus BBS |B |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | v3.03
| |Archives back online at:
| |http://maximus.outpostbbs.net/
MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802
Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
| | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004
Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com
| | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001
Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net
| | groberts@nexusbbs.net
| | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002
| | [Note: No Longer under active
| | development.]
Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be
| | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002
RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com
| | v2.62.2SW
Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150
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| | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999
Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net
| | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
| | v3.10L Beta
Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net
| | support@telegard.net
| | v3.09g2 SP4
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Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
| | Last Update: August 2004
Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net
Sean Dennis | | sean@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200
DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201
Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
Ruth Argust | |
DoorMUD |D |http://doormud.com
| | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
| | Website is down after
| | past the splash page.
Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
| | scott@jibben.com
| | 1995-99 Release dates
John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
| | support@johndaileysoftware.com
Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
| | nannette@shiningstar.net
Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
| | Tel: (404) 256-9518
The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
| | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases
Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
| | jpritch@eisonline.com
| | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002
Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013
Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org
| | last update: Jul 17th 2002
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APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de 2:2426/1210.13
| |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm
| | (English Version)
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| | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
| | v1.25
CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only)
| | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999
FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460
| | support@freexp.de
| | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot)
OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004
| | (Site is in German Only)
| | mk@openxp.de v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004
| | Download Page comes back 404 not found.
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GoldEd+ |E |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/
| | 2:5080/102
| | stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
| | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003
SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de
| | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999
TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
| | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed
| | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267
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FidoIP |MTPEIU|http://sourceforge.net/projects/fidoip
| | Maxim Sokolsky 2:5020/828.777
| | v.0.5_1 on Jan 11 2010
GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com
| | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997
Ifmail |UI |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
| | crosser@average.org 2:5020/230
| | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway
| | Program.
Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
(Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001
MakeNL |U | http://hub2000.darktech.org/makenl
| | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com
| | Fido: 1:229/2000
| | FidoNet Nodelist Processor
Meltdown-BBS |UI |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
| | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan
| | @spamgourmet.com
| | Fido: 2:350/5
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| | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <->
| | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system.
RNtrack |U |http://sourceforge.net/projects/ftrack-as
| |2:5080/102
| |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
| | v1.1.4 Snapshot on Oct 09 2009
TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
| | transnet@ressl.com.ar
| | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998
TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard
Communications, Inc.| | Unsure about support now but Free Keys
| | are now available. Donations accepted.
| | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program)
Turquoise SuperStat |U |http://www.softwolves.pp.se/sw/
| | software/turquoise
| | peter@softwolves.pp.se
| | Version: 3.0 on 2008-01-21
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National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org
Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
(in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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File Archives:
http://archives.thebbs.org http://www.filegate.net
http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com
http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi
http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
Note: most also provide FTP access
(use ftp:// instead of http:// above)
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Please send corrections & additions to: Fidonews Editor
Emeritus: Robert Couture, Ben Ritchey, Todd Cochrane,
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SPECIAL INTEREST
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Nodelist Stats
Input nodelist nodelist.055
size 354.5kb
date 2012-02-24
The nodelist has 2540 nodes in it
and a total of 3677 non-comment entries
including 5 zones
36 regions
245 hosts
213 hubs
admin overhead 499 ( 19.65 %)
and 338 private nodes
138 nodes down
162 nodes on hold
off line overhead 638 ( 25.12 %)
Speed summary:
>9600 = 208 ( 8.19 %)
9600 = 1622 ( 63.86 %)
(HST = 23 or 1.42 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 1 or 0.06 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.06 %)
(V32 = 766 or 47.23 %)
(V32B = 61 or 3.76 %)
(V34 = 1095 or 67.51 %)
(V42 = 913 or 56.29 %)
(V42B = 65 or 4.01 %)
2400 = 11 ( 0.43 %)
1200 = 2 ( 0.08 %)
300 = 697 ( 27.44 %)
ISDN = 229 ( 9.02 %)
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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 755
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 0
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 1
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XP Seadog 0
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XR Opus 1.03 15
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XW Fido >12M 69
Tabby
KittenMail
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 796
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
T-Mail
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None QMM 904
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CrashMail capable = 1281 ( 50.43 %)
MailOnly nodes = 1262 ( 49.69 %)
Listed-only nodes = 192 ( 7.56 %)
Other = -195 ( -7.68 %)
[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]
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