FidoNews · Vol 33, No 34 · 22 Aug 2016
The F I D O N E W S Volume 33, Number 34 22 Aug 2016
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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. EDITORIAL ................................................ 2
Don't get keyboard crazy ................................. 2
3. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 4
Barking up the (wrong) Tree .............................. 4
4. LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES ............................... 12
list of IPv6 nodes ....................................... 12
5. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 14
The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 14
6. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 15
FidoNet Software References .............................. 15
7. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 20
Statistics from the Fidoweb .............................. 20
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 21
8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 23
How to Submit an Article ................................. 23
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 25
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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I know not what weapons World War III will be fought with, but
World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
-- Albert Einstein
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EDITORIAL
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Don't get keyboard crazy
By Bj-rn Felten (2002-01-19)
When on the streets in a car, you've probably encountered what's often
referred to as street crazy. This is what people so easily get, when
something happens. Someone bumps into your car, and suddenly you can
find yourself in a highly animated discussion with the other driver,
that often can develop into a nasty situation with violent, and, even,
in countries where there's a handgun in every glove compartment, fatal
results.
How come then, that if you bump into that same person, walking on
the pavement (that's sidewalk to some of you), there almost never
develops a case of pavement craziness? In just a split second both
parties resolve the potential conflict, and all is well.
The simple explanation is body language. When you accidentally bump
into someone, you know exactly what to do with your face, shoulders,
arms and the rest of the body, to immediately apologize. And the
amazing thing is, that this language seems to be highly universal. It
works in London, Paris and Berlin as well as in Tokyo, New York and
Rio de Janeiro.
But when you sit tucked away in a car, with only your face showing,
and sometimes not even that, behind shining or even dark windscreens,
you don't have access to this powerful language. At best, all you have
is the finger, and that's not the best way to start a discussion...
Now take our means of communication, here in Fidonet, the written
word. Ask any good actor to read a couple of lines, taken out of a
greater context, and he'll tell you it's impossible to know how to
read them. They can be read in a thousand different ways, giving them
a thousand different meanings.
This is what we're up against, when we read mail, echo- as well as
netmail. We see the written words, but without the proper body
language to go with those words, and without being able to hear the
writer saying them in the way they were intended (high, low, funny,
serious, fast, slow etc.) we lack probably 90% of the information
needed to fully understand the message.
So why are we then so fast to reply to those words, in the way many
does: with invectives, insults and other bashings? Well, to the best
of my experience, it's often persons with the greatest experience of
participating in mostly sysop echoes (I think those echoes are the
worst ones in this respect) that are the worst offenders. Maybe they
are so used to almost every message being an attack on them
personally, they automatically jump to the worst conclusion?
The remedy is of course, to try to have sysops meeting in person,
where they can make full use of their body language and voices. After
such a SupCon or whatever, things have always cooled down considerably
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among the participants. That's a proven fact. So let's all join in on
a wish for more SupCon's to the people!
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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Barking up the (wrong) Tree
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308.1
(2002-01-16)
Dear Readers:
Tom Jennings created Fidonet. He designed the Fidonet system around
the Bulletin Board Systems that were already in existence. You
remember, those Bulletin Board Systems that were/are run by those
"cantankerous" Sysops. :-) Tom gave this new thing he created a name.
He called it Fidonet. Why he choose that name, I don't know. Maybe
there is a reason. The reason for the name, however, isn't the point
of this article and I'll "let sleeping dogs lie" on that. :)
Fidonet... What's in a name? Well, the trademark that Tom registered
is a drawing of a dog with a diskette in it's mouth. I guess you could
say that Fidonet is a dog. To be more descriptive, a female dog. I say
female because she can be a real... well... er.. you know. :-)
Since Fido is female, I suppose that Sysops could be considered her
puppies. After all, Fido started out as a couple of dogs barking back
and forth and grew from there to be thousands of dogs barking back and
forth. One thing /is/ certain. Dogs bark and puppies learn to bark. Of
course, puppies have to learn what to bark at. How? Maybe the mother
teaches them? Maybe other influences are involved? At any rate, these
puppies grow into dogs and have more puppies and so on. Some die off
and others leave while new ones join. Each generation learns to bark
and what to bark at from the previous group of dogs or some other
influence.
Many times, dogs bark up trees. They sit, or stand, at the base of
trees and bark while looking up into the trees. Maybe they see
something that they want or something is up there that they are trying
to get down. Maybe there was something there, but it is now gone and
they just bark because others are barking. Sometimes they bark at each
other. Maybe they are trying to figure out what they are barking at
and are asking each other;
"What the heck is up there?"
"Nothing."
"Then why the heck are we all barking up this tree?"
"I wasn't. You were. I was barking up this other tree that has
something in it."
"Oh yeah?? That tree is empty too!"
"Are you saying that I'm stupid or something?!? I'll show you!!"
And the fight is on.
Now when the fight is started, the other dogs stop barking and join in
the fight. They growl, snap and bite at each other. Each takes it's
place on the "proper" sides and while the dog fight rages, whatever
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was, or might have been, in the trees goes somewhere else and is lost.
So, what was up in those trees that was once so interesting to us
dogs? What did we have then that we don't have now? Could it be Nodes?
Well, yes. We are low on Nodes. Once Fidonet had tens of thousands of
nodes. I'm not sure that is it... at least not totally. Maybe it's
technology? Well, we had that then and we have it now. It may not be
totally up to the current standards, but we use a lot of fairly high
tech stuff. The old technology has and is still being replaced in
Fidonet. Sure, we're not the Internet, but we're a hobby, not a
business. I'm not sure that is it either... at least not totally.
Again, what was up in those trees?? Could it be "Users"? You remember
them, don't you? The people that used to call your BBS to talk to
friends, DL a file or two, play a game, ask a question or just chat.
Oh... You don't run a BBS? You've never run a BBS? :(
Then please, read on.
Fidonet started out as a few friends sharing messages between each
other. With the advent of echomail, Fidonet grew to tens of thousands
of Nodes with ten times that many Users and more. Why did Fidonet have
so many Users? I'd venture that for every Node, there was a minimum of
ten Users. Why?? Well, those "cantankerous" Sysops ran their Bulletin
Boards for their own reasons. Mostly for, and to attract, the Users.
Without the Users, why run a BBS? Sysops barked up the trees to get
the Users to come down and play.
Dogs like to play. :)
Now, you might believe that the Internet took all the BBS Users. Did
it really?? Maybe the Sysops in Fidonet let them leave. When the
Internet started coming into the computer scene, it started barking up
trees to attract Users and it worked. Users started leaving Fidonet to
become a part of this new Internet dog. Some BBSs left because of the
Internet and probably because they saw their Users leaving. Why run a
BBS if the Users are leaving and new Users are not coming in?
So, why did the Users leave and why didn't/don't they come back? Why
didn't they use both the Internet and Fidonet? I'll give one theory
that I have.
Until the Internet really started becoming popular, Fidonet was "the
only show in town". As such, there was really little need for Sysops
or BBSs to "attract" Users. People were getting new computers. Users
were telling friends about this "Fidonet" dog that was so great and
showing their friends how to use that new computer to connect to this
dog. Basically, The Dog barked once and the Users took it from there.
In time, the dog stopped barking, certain in the belief that the Users
would "keep the ball rolling".
As time went on, This Internet "dog" came along. It started barking
up a few trees and, like Fidonet, the Users took it from there. As
Users started leaving Fidonet, Nodes started leaving. Now, Fidonet BBS
Sysops didn't worry about this too much at first. It didn't matter if
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a User left your BBS, there were hundreds to replace that one User...
But now, suddenly, these Users were leaving and no new ones were
coming in to replace them. Of course, this had to be blamed on the
Internet. There's no way that the Fidonet BBS Sysops could be at
fault.
"Hey you! Who are you and why are you barking up our tree?!?"
"I'm the Internet. "I just wanna bark a few times." "It looks like
fun!"
"Ok, It won't matter anyway." Them stupid Users won't come to you
because we're better!" "Besides, I too lazy to bark anyway."
<time passes>
"Hey!!" "Where are my Users?!?"
"They went to us."
"Who are you??"
"We're the Internet!"
"Why did they go to you???"
"Because you let them go. You were too lazy and smug to bark for them
to stay with or come back to you."
<turns to other Fidonet dogs>
"Hey guys!" This Internet dog says that we let our Users go!"
"Did not!"
"Did to!"
"It was your fault!"
"Was not!"
"Was too!!"
"So what!?!" "What do we do now?!?"
"We need to get more Nodes!"
"Yeah!" "That's it!!" "How???"
"We do it this way!"
"No!" "We do that way!!"
"NO!!" "MY WAY!!"
And the fights start because of this, or other excuses. Of course,
all those Fidonet dogs stopped barking up the trees to get the Users
down to play. In fact, those Fidonet dogs stopped barking at almost
everything. Instead, those Fidonet dogs fought amongst themselves
about the loss of Nodes saying; "Who's to blame?" "How do we get new
Nodes?" "It's your fault!" and other things, until more Users and
Nodes left and went to the Internet.
Now, what about this Internet? How does it keep Users and what does
it do?
The Internet and Fidonet aren't that much different in many ways.
Both started out as individual systems. The Internet was government
and education systems while Fidonet was single computers ran by
Sysops. A way to network all these systems together via phone lines
came along and things took off from there.
I'm not saying that Fidonet can compete with the Internet. I'm saying
that Fidonet has stopped trying to attract Users and is, instead,
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fighting amongst themselves while ignoring the real reason for their
existence. The Internet is always trying to attract new Users.
Tom Jennings said:
"But FidoNet's most basic element is a bulletin board. What FidoNet
is, is a set of protocols that lets the bulletin boards communicate.
FidoNet started as a bunch of bulletin boards, running my Fido
software. FidoNet was added later, to allow point - to - point email
between Fido boards."
Take all the *Cs, Policy, geography and whatever away and "FidoNet's
most basic element is a bulletin board."
I'd add that the Bulletin Board's most basic element is the User.
It's been argued that with Internet connectivity, telnet and other
technology, Fidonet doesn't need geography and forcing geography is
costing Fidonet it's Nodes.
Maybe it really doesn't matter if geography is forced or not. What
difference does it make if you are forced into a certain Zone, Region
or Net? Does that affect your communication? Not really. The Internet
connectivity removes that problem. What does it matter if you are in
this or that Net or group? The only reason that it matters is for the
perceived power it might bring or the political motivation.
At the risk of being rude, You people on all sides of the geography,
abuse, power, P4 and other arguments need to get a life!! You fight
and fight while the Users that could make Fidonet something all stay
in the Internet trees because they can get fights, argument (and spam
as a bonus) there already. Nothing new or interesting in connecting to
a dial-up or telnet BBS. We lost those Users to the Internet because
we didn't move as fast with technology as the Internet. We now have
some of that technological ability back, yet we sit and fight over
attracting new Nodes instead of barking up the Internet trees and
telling the Users that we are here. Many don't even know that we exist
because they grew up with the Internet.
I ask you; Does Fidonet need more Nodes?
It's argued that Fidonet needs more Nodes to grow. That shouldn't be
real hard. With the ability to connect world wide, Fidonet could make
a package that would automatically install at the click of a mouse,
fetch a nodelist, parse it and determine a Node number based on what
is not currently in use. It then sends an update to the person that
handles the Node segment for that Net and a new Node (puppy) is born.
That same program, if un-installed, could send an update to a program
that would automatically remove the Node number to allow someone else
to receive it later. No *Cs involved, No geography. No Zones, Regions
or Nets to worry about. All automatic and able to add Nodes by the
dozens. Of course, there would be no Users on these Nodes... Just
Nodes that can fight amongst themselves until tired and then leave. No
benefit there. :(
Maybe what Fidonet /needs/ is more Users for it to grow.
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Bulletin Boards were around /before/ Fidonet. Bulletin Boards were,
and are, run by "cantankerous" sysops. Fidonet had to, and does, fit
into this BBS thing. So, why did those Sysops run a BBS? Maybe it
/was/ because that was the requirement then. Maybe it was so that they
could fight amongst themselves back then.... But, maybe... just maybe
it was to have and attract Users. To provide a service to Users. To
enjoy having a BBS with Users. To see the message bases on their
systems being read and written to by Users.
Why did those Sysops join Fidonet? Maybe it was to fight over
geography. Maybe it was to complain about *Cs abusing power. Maybe...
Just maybe... it was to give a broader message base populated with
messages for their Users?
How many Bulletin Boards are in Fidonet today? I don't mean Nodes...
I mean Bulletin Boards!! You remember those? The systems that are open
to Users via dial-up, telnet or both? Bulletin Boards that offer
message areas via Fidonet for Users to read and reply in? We've only
mentioned them a few places in this editorial. :)
In years past, the vast majority, maybe up to 99%, of the Nodes in
Fidonet had a BBS for Users to connect to. How many are there today?
I'd venture the number to be far less. Most are now just Nodes in a
"phone book" called the Nodelist. They cry that they have no messages
in the echos, Fidonet is dying, it's /your/ fault because of P4,
geographical restrictions, *Cs abusing their power, Sysops abusing *Cs
and dozens of other excuses.
And they fight... Why??
Maybe, in reality, it's because Sysops in Fidonet don't have anything
better to do but fight. Maybe they have forgotten, or never learned,
that Fidonet was/is for Bulletin Board Systems to exchange messages
written by Users. Maybe it's because they see those bad old Internet
trees that have all the users in them and figure "We can't compete
with that, let's fight!" Maybe they see the Fidonet trees all but
empty and say "What's the use, there's nobody there, /and/ it's your
fault, let's fight!" Maybe it's because they don't have a BBS for
Users to access and they figure "A BBS isn't needed, we need more
Nodes and it's /your/ fault that we aren't getting them. Let's fight!"
Whatever the reason and whatever the justification, there are trees
full of Internet Users. Why? Maybe it's because the Internet shows
their Users how to access them. Maybe it's because ISPs aren't just
Sysops that have a IP address and are trying to get more people to
become ISPs Maybe it's because they don't sit around blaming other
ISPs for killing the Internet or not trying to attract more people to
become ISPs.
If the Internet operated as Fidonet now seems to, the Internet would
be dying because they would be so busy fighting and blaming each other
for not attracting more people to become ISPs that they would forget
about the Users that make the Internet viable in the first place.
Fidonet is dying because Nodes, who are the ISPs (FSPs) of Fidonet,
are too busy fighting and blaming each other for not attracting more
Nodes instead of doing what they should do.... attract new Users...
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offering those Users "how to" help in connecting to a BBS... and, of
course, running a BBS for those Users to connect to!!
Ladies and gentlemen, Fidonet is a "Service Provider". It provides
that service via Bulletin Board Systems and Fidonet Points to the
Users. You may say that Fidonet can't be compared to the Internet...
it's "apples and oranges", but is it really that different??
A "Dynamic IP address" in Fidonet = <user name> @ <some BBS>
A "Static IP address" in Fidonet = Zone:Net/Node.Point <Note the
Point>
"Static Address pools" for Fidonet Service Providers are the Point
addresses. There are 9999 of them for each FSP (Node) in Fidonet. So
each FSP can have 9999 Users with added "features" somewhat like the
static IP Users have. Plus, each BBS has an unlimited amount of
"dynamic" addresses. There's not that much difference.
People! There are telnet Bulletin Board Systems on the Internet. Many
are not in Fidonet and they have many Users. There are still some
dial-up Bulletin Board Systems and they have Users. Why? Could it be
because they are barking at the Internet trees and getting people to
come down to play? I think this is one good guess.
With today's technology, a telnet BBS can reach many people. Even
dial-up systems can reach many people. Fidonet can send mail for
little or no cost via the Internet using such things as FTP, BinkP and
more. We have the technology and we use it. Sadly, we use it too often
as an excuse to fight amongst ourselves.
Many people don't want to be "providers". Many want to be Users. They
don't want the hassle of having to run a computer 24/7, configure
programs, fix problems and such. They want access! The ISPs offer that
access! Fidonet offered that access at one time. The Internet started
much the same as Fidonet. There were computer systems run totally
independent of each other much like the BBS systems. They had Sysops
that kept them going just like the BBS. A way was created to allow
these systems to connect together to exchange files and mail much the
same as Fidonet. They grew much the same as Fidonet. They keep growing
because they attract Users!... /NOT/ because they attract providers!
If you get the Users, that will cause the demand for Providers and
they will come!
The Internet saw the trees full of Fidonet Users and started barking
at them to "Come play with us" and the Users came. More ISPs came into
being to service this exploding mass of Users. Fidonet saw the Users
leaving for the Internet trees and, instead of barking at the User to
come back or moving to attract new Users, looked at each other saying;
"We need more Nodes."
"It's /your/ fault that we don't have more Nodes!"
"The Internet is taking our Users... it's your fault that we don't
have more Nodes!"
"I'm not running a BBS anymore because there are no Users... It's your
fault that we don't have more Nodes!"
"It doesn't matter that there are no Bulletin Boards in Fidonet for
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Users to call... It's your fault that we don't have more Nodes!"
This fighting and arguing isn't why Fidonet is dying. This is just an
end result. Maybe of desperation.
Geography abuse, policy abuse, Sysop and *C abuse and all the other
reasons given and argued isn't the problem. They are just excuses...
sometimes used to justify the desperation.
The real problem is that Fidonet is trying to save itself by adding
more Nodes to service Users that it doesn't have because there are
fewer and fewer BBSs to service Users.
My friends, Fidonet was built to service the BBS. The BBS was built
to service the Users. If a BBS wasn't built to service the Users, it
wouldn't allow access by Users. Once upon a time, Fidonet serviced the
BBS and the BBS serviced the Users. Now, Fidonet services Fidonet and
fights constantly because there are fewer and fewer Nodes in it. Once
upon a time, Fidonet Sysops competed over who had, or could have, the
most Users on their BBS. They competed /for/ the Users.
Where did those Sysops go?
Many went to the Internet. Some still run a BBS on the Internet. Some
still run dial-up. They still have Users as well. Why? Because they
attract them. They don't sit around complaining because they were
assigned IP address 192.168.0.10 when what they really wanted was
192.168.0.1. They see the Internet trees full of Users and bark at
those Users to "Come and play with us". The say "Here I am, I'll show
you how to play and what I like to play. You show me how and what you
like to play. Let's play. :)"
Do we really need more Nodes in Fidonet??? Maybe what we really need
are more Bulletin Boards in Fidonet. Instead of barking and snapping
at each other because Fidonet is shrinking in Nodes, we should be
running a BBS and trying to attract enough Users to our BBS, and
Fidonet, to justify its existence.
Maybe instead of barking at each other about the empty trees, we
should be barking at the Internet trees that are full of Users that
just might like to "come and play" on a BBS with us if shown how.
My fellow Sysops. I think Fidonet is "barking up the wrong tree". We
are trying to attract more Nodes to Fidonet to make it grow. What we
really need to do is attract more Users to Fidonet. To do this, we
need Bulletin Board Systems that try to attract Users. This would give
a reason for existence and, when the Nodes that run Bulletin Boards
have more than they can handle, others would start Bulletin Boards to
take the load. Then we can attract more Nodes. Nodes that want to run
a BBS to attract more Users that attract more Nodes that..... Well,
it's supply and demand and a darn good upward movement. :-)
My friends, we don't have the demand for the Fidonet we have now. The
Users that could cause the demand for Bulletin Boards that would then
attract more Nodes isn't there. We need to work on that first. Then
get more Nodes and THEN start to grow again.
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We are, in many ways, "barking up the wrong trees". We need to run
Bulletin Boards. We need to show people how to access Bulletin Boards,
both dial-up and telnet. We need to write programs that make it easy
for a User to access a BBS. We need to do this and... We need to bark
up those Internet trees and show the Users that we are there, how to
play with us and ask them to "Come and play".
Instead, Fidonet tells people on the Internet "Come join us. Install
this program, configure that program, learn batch file language, get
this device, that utility, and when you've finished learning all this
technical stuff, you can become a Node in Fidonet.. We don't want you
as a User. We only want you as a Node!
The people are say "Good grief! You want me to do all that just to
come play with you in Fidonet?!? You /are/ insane!! I can get access
to my ISP in minutes and not have to learn hardly anything!! GO AWAY!"
My God people! What the heck /are/ we doing to Fidonet?!?!?
We need to provide the access to Fidonet that the people want first.
Get the Users to the BBS. Provide the BBS for the Users to get to and
show them how to get there. Then worry about attracting Nodes. We just
might find that we don't have to do much attracting of Nodes at all.
If you build it, they will come. :-)
When or if Fidonet dies, there will still be Bulletin Boards out
there. They will still have "cantankerous" Sysops that run them for
their own reasons. They will still have Users that access them because
they had been asked, shown how, tried it and liked it... and Fidonet
will be a memory. :'(( We need those Bulletin Boards and those Users
far more than they need us or we need more Nodes.
The Fidonet trees were once full of Users while the Internet trees
were almost bare. Now the opposite is true... and yet, on the rare
occasions when we bark up a tree, it's still that old, almost empty,
Fidonet tree. Then we turn to each other and fight because there are
fewer Nodes in Fidonet. :(
At one time, Sysops in Fidonet competed for the Users that were
available. Now, Fidonet Sysops blame and fight each other over why the
Nodelist is shrinking while not caring that there are fewer Bulletin
Boards and fewer Users for the Bulletin Boards that do exist. Not
knowing or caring that Fidonet was, or is supposed to be, made up of
Bulletin Boards and that Bulletin Boards are made up of Users.
We need to get back to what's really needed in Fidonet.
My Friends. What trees are you barking up?
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LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES
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List of Ipv6 nodes
By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555
Updated 20 August 2016
Node Nr. Sysop Type Provider Remark
1 2:280/464 Wilfred van Velzen Native Xs4All
2 2:280/5003 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All
3 2:5019/40 Konstantin Kuzov T-6in4 he.net PO4
4 2:240/1661 Markus Reschke Native DTAG
5 2:280/5555 Michiel van der Vlist Native Ziggo
6 1:320/219 Andrew Leary Native Comcast
7 2:221/0 Tommi Koivula T-6in4 he.net
8 2:221/1 Tommi Koivula T-6in4 he.net
9 2:221/6 Tommi Koivula T-6in4 he.net
10 2:5053/54 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
11 2:5030/257 Vova Uralsky T-6in4 he.net
12 1:154/10 Nicholas Boël Native TWC
13 2:203/0 Björn Felten T-6in4 SixXs
14 2:280/5006 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All INO4
15 3:712/848 Scott Little T-6RD iiNet
16 2:5020/545 Alexey Vissarionov Native Hetzner
17 1:103/17 Stephen Hurd T-6in4 he.net
18 2:5020/9696 Alexander Skovpen T-6to4 he.net
19 2:301/812 Benoit Panizzon Native IMPNET
20 2:421/790 Viktor Cizek Native T-Mobile
21 2:222/2 Kim Heino Native TeliaSonera
22 3:633/280 Stephen Walsh Native Ransom IT
23 1:266/404 Bill McGarrity Native Comcast
24 4:902/26 Fernando Toledo T-AYIY SixXs
25 2:463/877 Alex Shuman Native Nline IO
26 2:280/2000 Michael Trip Native Choopa
27 1:19/10 Matt Bedynek T-6in4 he.net
28 1:249/303 Joe Delahaye Native Teksavvy
29 2:280/1043 Michel van Osenbruggen Native Bit
39 3:770/1 Paul Hayton T-AYIY SixXs
31 2:5053/58 Alexandr Kruglikov Native CJSC The First
32 1:103/13 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
33 1:120/545 RJ Clay Native DC74L
34 3:633/281 Stephen Walsh T-6in4 he.net
35 2:310/31 Richard Menedetter T-6in4 SixXs
36 3:633/410 Tony Langdon Native IINET
37 2:5005/33 Evgeny Zyatkov T-6in4 he.net PO4
38 2:5020/329 Oleg Lukashin Native Comfortel
39 3:772/100 James Kelly Native 2degrees
40 2:246/1305 Emil Schuster Native TAL.DE
41 2:2443/1313 Dirk Astrath Native VOLMARNET
42 2:2448/4000 Tobias Burchhardt Native DTAG IO
43 2:331/51 Marco d'Itri Native BOFH-IT
44 2:203/210 Mattias Larsson T-6in4 he.net
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45 1:2320/100 Allen Prunty Native AT&T OO
46 1:214/22 Ray Quinn Native AT&T OO
T-6in4 Static 6in4
T-AYIY Dynamic AYIYA
T-6to4 6to4
T-6RD 6RD
Remarks:
IO Incoming only (Node can not make outgoing IPv6 calls)
OO Outgoing only (Node can not accept incoming IPv6 calls)
INO4 No IPv4 (Node can not accept incoming IPv4 calls)
PO4 Prefers Out on 4 (Node can make outgoing IPv6 calls,
but is configured to try IPv4 first)
6DWN The IPv6 connectivity of this node is temporarely down.
DOWN This node is temporarely down for both IPv4 and IPv6
PM Prospective Member. The node has demonstrated IPv6
capability but is not yet listed in de Fidonet nodelist.
Notes:
To make an IPv6 connection to a node connected via 6to4 tunneling
one may have to force the mailer into IPv6 (-6 option in binkd's
node config). If the destination address is a 6to4 tunnel address
(2002::/16) Windows defaults to IPv4 if an IPv4 address is present.
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JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST
=================================================================
The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project
This is a list of known JamNNTPd servers working. They are essentially
the modern version of Bulletin Board Systems.
You connect to them using the newsreader of your choice and you don't
need any other software installed on your computer -- regardless of
operating system -- but that favourite mail client of yours.
Even smart phones can handle this, giving you the opportunity to get
your daily doses of fidonet on the bus, tram or train on the way to
your job, school or whatever.
Updated 2015-09-10
URL news://felten.yi.org
Join http://fidonews.eu
NETMAIL Yes, 2:203/2
URL news://the-estar.com:1119
Join http://www.easternstar.info
NETMAIL Yes, 1:123/789
URL news://quinnspost.nodelist.net:60119
Join mailto:eskimo261@bigfoot.com
Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
NETMAIL Yes, 3:640/384
URL news://rbb.bbs.fi
Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
NETMAIL Yes, 2:221/361
URL news://fidonews.mine.nu
Join http://fidonews.mine.nu
NETMAIL Yes, 2:221/6
URL news://news.wpusa.dynip.com
Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
NETMAIL Yes, 1:3634/12
URL nntp://news.bytemuseum.org
nntps://news.bytemuseum.org (secure)
Join Info in group +ACCCESS&SUPPORT+
NETMAIL Yes, 1:19/10
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FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
=================================================================
-=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=-
Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info
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|Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
`- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84
| | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889
| | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001
BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102
| | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998
BinkD |MI |http://binkd.grumbler.org/ 2:463/69
| | v0.9.10 on Oct 2nd 2008
D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.net229.org/dbridge.htm 1:1/130
Nick Andre |I | 3.99/SR9, released November 8 2015
FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280
Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net
| | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003
FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330
Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101
| | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX
Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/
| | v1.4 RC5 on Apr 24th 2006
Mystic BBS |MTBCE|http://www.mysticbbs.com
|I | v1.10 on Feb 20th 2015
Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38
(based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
| | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005
Raptor |MTPE |Free d/l from Jolla Store 2:292/624.50
Rudi Timmermans | | For the Sailfish OS only
| | rudi.timmer@gmx.us
| | v2.0 on Dec 18th 2015
Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70
| |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English)
(based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru
| | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004
Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608
FIDONEWS 33-34 Page 16 22 Aug 2016
| | Website is in Russian only
WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204
Software, Inc. | | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004
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Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org
| | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.10
FMail |T |https://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/
| | 1.69.25.189 (2016-08-16)
JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de
(ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000
Squish |T |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | Lanuis site redirects to above
| | Squish is part of Maximus.
+- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+
BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net
| | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222
ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com
Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com
| | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002
Ezycom BBS |BT |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682
| | v3.00 on 25 Apr 2015
Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org
| | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final
Maximus BBS |B |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/
| | v3.03
| |Archives back online at:
| |http://maximus.outpostbbs.net/
MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802
Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
| | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004
Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net
| | groberts@nexusbbs.net
| | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002
| | [Note: No Longer under active
| | development.]
Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be
| | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002
RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com
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| | v2.62.2SW
Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150
| | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999
Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net
| | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
| | v3.10L Beta
Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net
| | support@telegard.net
| | v3.09g2 SP4
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Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
| | Last Update: August 2004
Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net
Sean Dennis | | sean@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200
DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201
Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
Ruth Argust | |
DoorMUD |D |http://doormud.com
| | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
| | Website is down after
| | past the splash page.
Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
| | scott@jibben.com
| | 1995-99 Release dates
John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
| | support@johndaileysoftware.com
Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
| | nannette@shiningstar.net
Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
| | Tel: (404) 256-9518
The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
| | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases
Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
| | jpritch@eisonline.com
| | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002
Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013
Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org
| | last update: Jul 17th 2002
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APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de 2:2426/1210.13
| |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm
| | (English Version)
| | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
| | v1.25
CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only)
| | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999
FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460
| | support@freexp.de
| | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot)
OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004
| | (Site is in German Only)
| | mk@openxp.de v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004
| | Download Page comes back 404 not found.
+- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+
GoldEd+ |E |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/
| | 2:5080/102
| | stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
| | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003
SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de
| | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999
TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
| | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed
| | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267
+- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+
FidoIP |MTPEIU|http://sourceforge.net/projects/fidoip
| | Maxim Sokolsky 2:5020/828.777
| | v.0.5_1 on Jan 11 2010
GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com
| | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997
Ifmail |UI |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
| | crosser@average.org 2:5020/230
| | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway
| | Program.
Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
(Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001
MakeNL |U | http://hub2000.darktech.org/makenl
| | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com
| | Fido: 1:229/2000
| | FidoNet Nodelist Processor
Meltdown-BBS |UI |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
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| | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan
| | @spamgourmet.com
| | Fido: 2:350/5
| | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <->
| | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system.
RNtrack |U |http://sourceforge.net/projects/ftrack-as
| |2:5080/102
| |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
| | v1.1.4 Snapshot on Oct 09 2009
TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
| | transnet@ressl.com.ar
| | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998
TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard
Communications, Inc.| | Unsure about support now but Free Keys
| | are now available. Donations accepted.
| | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program)
Turquoise SuperStat |U |http://www.softwolves.pp.se/sw/
| | software/turquoise
| | peter@softwolves.pp.se
| | Version: 3.0 on 2008-01-21
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National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org
Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
(in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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File Archives:
http://archives.thebbs.org http://www.filegate.net
http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com
http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi
http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
Note: most also provide FTP access
(use ftp:// instead of http:// above)
*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*
Please send corrections & additions to: Fidonews Editor
Emeritus: Robert Couture, Ben Ritchey, Todd Cochrane,
Frank Vest, Peter Popovich
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SPECIAL INTEREST
=================================================================
Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
By EchoTime, 2:203/0
(Some nets may have lost their last
digit for technical reasons)
pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
nodes mean dev no mean dev no
123/* 1.0m 0.5m 64 1.3h 2.4h 64
201/* 0.9m 0.2m 4 21.1h 1.2h 4
203/* 0.4m 0.3m 27 0.2h 0.7h 14
221/* 0.7m 0.4m 370 5.9h 7.3h 369
249/* 0.5m 0.4m 345 2.2h 5.5h 345
266/* 4.8m 0.7m 310 2.3h 5.8h 310
280/* 0.9m 0.5m 316 5.1h 14.6h 318
320/* 55.1m 3.3m 288 2.6h 6.2h 288
502/* 58.6m 1.9m 14 0.0h 0.0h 14
640/* 1.1m 0.6m 104 9.6h 7.6h 104
Sigma 10.4m 20.0m 1842 3.9h 8.6h 1830
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FIDONEWS 33-34 Page 21 22 Aug 2016
Nodelist Stats
Input nodelist nodelist.232
size 248.2kb
date 2016-08-20
The nodelist has 1647 nodes in it
and a total of 2357 non-comment entries
including 4 zones
29 regions
197 hosts
146 hubs
admin overhead 376 ( 22.83 %)
and 168 private nodes
70 nodes down
96 nodes on hold
off line overhead 334 ( 20.28 %)
Speed summary:
>9600 = 123 ( 7.47 %)
9600 = 771 ( 46.81 %)
(HST = 12 or 1.56 %)
(CSP = 0 or 0.00 %)
(PEP = 1 or 0.13 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.13 %)
(V32 = 393 or 50.97 %)
(V32B = 36 or 4.67 %)
(V34 = 528 or 68.48 %)
(V42 = 452 or 58.63 %)
(V42B = 38 or 4.93 %)
2400 = 4 ( 0.24 %)
1200 = 2 ( 0.12 %)
300 = 747 ( 45.36 %)
ISDN = 82 ( 4.98 %)
-----------------------------------------------------
IP Flags Protocol Number of systems
-----------------------------------------------------
IBN Binkp 840 ( 51.00 %)
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IFC Raw ifcico 117 ( 7.10 %)
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IFT FTP 59 ( 3.58 %)
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ITN Telnet 152 ( 9.23 %)
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IVM Vmodem 15 ( 0.91 %)
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IP Other 6 ( 0.36 %)
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FIDONEWS 33-34 Page 22 22 Aug 2016
INO4 IPv6 only 1 ( 0.06 %)
----------------------------------
CrashMail capable = 1007 ( 61.14 %)
MailOnly nodes = 741 ( 44.99 %)
Listed-only nodes = 86 ( 5.22 %)
[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/2]
[ NetStats 3.8 2014-11-23]
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