FidoNews · Vol 20, No 15 · 14 Apr 2003
The F I D O N E W S Volume 20, Number 15 14 Apr 2003
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Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2
A Visit with Friends ..................................... 2
We Have Rights ........................................... 6
3. OL'WDB'S COLUMN - WARREN BONNER .......................... 8
HOW WE TREAT PEOPLE ...................................... 8
4. FIDONET NOTICES .......................................... 10
Donations needed for SysOp! .............................. 10
5. FRANK'S COLUMN - FRANK VEST .............................. 12
A Wondrous Time .......................................... 12
6. CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES ..................................... 13
ARTHRITIS ................................................ 13
7. BEST OF FIDONET .......................................... 15
Kipling teaches Bush ..................................... 15
8. BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................... 18
FIDONet Software References .............................. 18
9. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 23
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 23
10. SPECIAL INTEREST ........................................ 28
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 28
11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 30
How to Submit an Article ................................. 30
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 32
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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Only when you can be extremely pliable and soft can you be extremely
hard and strong.
-- Zen proverb
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GENERAL ARTICLES
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A Visit with Friends
by Janis Kracht, 1:261/38, janis@filegate.net
This may seem strange, writing an article about an even that happened
just about a year ago, but since I just received a picture from that
event, I figured I'd share it, and it's story with all of you.
Moving from one state in the United States to another (in this case,
about 750 miles away) is never easy.. and as usual, various obstacles
will sometimes get in the way of packing and getting ready for moving
day. This move, in May of 2002, was no different... with closing
dates shifted on us twice, and software project deadlines that had to
be met, Ron and I found ourselves precariously close to the day we
were supposed to take off ... with a 12 room house with much still to
be packed.
So Ron and I then did what most people do in such circumstances... we
packed boxes, crates and storage containers day and night !! We had
less than a week left to go and the boxes were finally taking over the
house.
The phone rang in the midst of this marathon packing. Needless to
say, I didn't mind taking a break from the exhausting and sometimes
tedious chore ... especially to talk on the phone .
I was so thrilled (and really surprised! ) to learn that the caller,
Anatoly Burov, was a SysOp from Russia, in net 2:5030! He and two
other friends had won math and science contests at their school in
Russia that gave them each a chance to compete at the International
Science and Engineering Competition, sponsored by Intel and held that
year in Louisville, Kentucky. The competition would be fierce, no
doubt, as the top math and science students from all over the world
would be competing for 1st place in each category.
Ron and I convinced them that our home was more than walking distance
from their downtown Louisville Hotel (The Galt House), so we'd be
happy to drive to their hotel and pick them up. I gave Anatoly my
description so he could pick me out in the crowd at the Hotel. "Look
for the lady with blonde hair, a white shirt, and grungy blue jeans,
who's with a tall brown haired guy", I said. I at least knew I'd be
looking for three guys hanging out together (grin).
Ron and I arrived at the Galt House, which was only about 10 or 15
minutes by car from our house (I swear, everything in Louisville is
only 10 or 15 minutes away from any place, because of network of
highways there ). We looked around the Lobby through the busy crowd
of people for our visitors, and seeing nothing apparent, we sat down
hoping to see them emerge from the elevators, or other entrances. Not
long after, three fellows wearing headbands approached us timidly..
"Janis??" "Anatoly??"
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We'd found each other - or rather Anatoly, Svjatoslav, and Mikhail had
found me! We happily clasped hands, hugged and it felt like we'd
already known each other for more than that few moments! It's an
amazing thing to me... this entity we call "Fidonet".. where total
strangers can meet in the real world, and forget all the nonsense of
the world around us, and be as happy to meet a fellow member SysOp, as
one would be to meet a brother or sister.
We brought them to our car, and started on our way back to our house
where we could sit around and discuss things fidonet and otherwise
(grin). The ride to our house was full of questions on both sides,
and I learned that the three travelers were points in Fidonet from St.
Petersburg, Russia. I asked them if they wanted to stop and pick up
some beer.. Hey, when have you ever heard of SysOps getting together
without that ?? haha.. Well, they told me, No, they weren't
interested in beer.. Just as well, really - like any alcohol, beer
just kills brain cells (smile). And I got the impression that these
fellows had more they wanted out of life than that. I explained to
them that Russian points were not "strangers" to me <grin> For a long
time I had a point on my system from Novosgovod, and I of course asked
if they knew him :) I was happy to hear that they did know him, and
they were a little surprised that I knew him as well. (Hello Valery
Dmitry, if you are reading this <smile>)
Once at our home, my two black labs (one 6 years old at the time, and
the other about 6 months old then) greeted us at the door (of
course).As it turned out, Anatoly, Mikail and Sjvorsky really enjoyed
playing with the dogs - the dogs didn't give my visitors much of a
choice <grin> ... and Priscilla and Toby (my labs) were thrilled to be
included in visit. It's not every day that a labrador retriever get
to slobber and kiss strangers in your house :)
Eventually things calmed down in box laden computer room where we
settled.. and I explained the reason for the seemingly unending piles
of boxes and containers. Language between us was really no problem at
all, as Anatoly and Svjatoslav were incredibly good at both speaking
and understanding English. They had explained in the car the type of
entries they'd submitted at the science fair, and as we talked, Ron
and I were incredibly impressed with these young fellows and what
they'd accomplished to be able to come to the United States to compete
in this international competition.
We discussed the job of Z1C, the never-ending netmail in my netmail
folder, and how I managed to keep up with it - we discussed how points
were so popular in Russia, and how I had always envied the number of
points in Zone 2. Unfortuntely, it's something that never took off in
North America the way it has in Europe, though as I said, I did have a
number of them in the past, and still do to this day.
We talked about my bbs system, and I was happy to show them BBBS with
it's land-line modem, telnet and www interface. We also discussed
Policy 4, and I was most interested to hear their feelings regarding
that, and I was really not so surprised that they're feelings about
that were not very different from my own.
As I showed them my linux box, I was really happy to hear that one of
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them also had been playing with linux at home.. I gave a few tips to
them, with a promise to continue to help if needed in e-mail. We
happily swapped e-mail addresses then and since last May, I have been
in contact with at least two of my visitors, Anatoly and most recently
Svjatoslav, who sent me the photograph and who still logs onto my
system to play a few doors <smile>.
We had some funny moments.. at one point I remember Anatoly writing
out his last name and asking me to pronounce it.. well, as you can
imagine, I didn't come close (laugh).. I can totally relate to having
a last name that is pronounced other than the way it looks.. my
married name, Kracht, is pronounced "Krats" by Ron's family - even
though it is a dutch name, and should be pronounced Kraahkt (this told
to me by _several_ po'd dutch nurses when I was in the hospital, when
they heard the way Ron's family pronounced it <laugh>).
We talked for a few hours that day, and I knew as 9pm drew close that
they'd have to return to the hotel .. The competition winners would be
announced the next day, and they needed to be ready for that. Anatoly
told me that first, he had some gifts that they had brought with them
for me, and I was totally amazed at that. They had brought me a very
old Russian coin, a key ring with pictures from St. Petersburg on it,
and a pin that had their fidonet Net number, 2:5030, engraved on it. I
was almost in tears at the thoughtfulness of these guys. I keep these
remembrances of our visit next to me on my desk, right alongside my
keyboard so that I think of our visit whenever I log on to my system.
I still hope that someday they will be able to return to United States
for another visit, or that I will be able to visit them in St.
Petersburg.
They promised to call me the next evening when all was done so that
I'd know how they made out in the competition, we got ready to drive
them back to their hotel.
If you've got a browser, you can see the picture that Ron took of us
in front of Louisville's Galt House Hotel when we were all saying our
goodbyes:
<http://www.filegate.net/janis.jpg/ Mikhail Andreevich Berlin, Janis,
Anatoly Burov, and Lisin Svjatoslav Evgenjevich
Our visit ended at The Galt House Hotel in downtown Louisville - Here
we are just before the guys retired for the night, awaiting the
contest results the next day. Ron was kind enough to take the picture
:) As you can see, my jeans LOOK like I'd been packing things with
newspaper print :) With most of my clothes packed already, I was lucky
to find a clean shirt for our meeting!
The next day I got a phone call from my new Russian friends, and was
really happy to hear that Anatoly had taken 3rd place in the category
for his his project. That meant, he excitedly told me, that he'd be
getting about $5,000 in prize money towards college. Mikail also
placed in the contest and would be receiving a comparable amount.
Though Svjatoslav hadn't placed, they told me that no doubt the three
of them would now be famous in Russia because they had come to the
United States, and had sat down with and talked with the Z1C :) I do
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hope they are able to return here someday!
For now, the three of them are enrolled in College in St. Peterburg
and in e-mail, they told me they had to get haircuts for gym class
(there are worse things in life, I told them :) ). I expect great
things to come from these three fellows and I am proud and happy to
have met them!
BTW, The Iraqi/US war doesn't change my opinion of the people and
SysOps of the world, certainly people like Anatoly, Svjatoslav and
Mikail. Thanks to the three of them for allowing me to know them, and
to know more closely the people of Russia. I send them my best wishes
of luck to them, in everything they desire to accomplish.
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We Have Rights....
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308.1
In reading the Fidonews Publication and from some news hype plus some
internet forums, I've become convinced that many Americans and a lot
of others do not understand the rights that Americans have. This seems
most noticeable in protests. With this in mind, I wrote the following
in an internet message forum. If you see it there, and was wondering,
now you know who wrote it. BTW, I posted it under the name of
"Justavoice". :-)
The "inspiration", if you want to call it that, was from a "Bill of
No-Rights" that I read several years ago. A Google search should turn
up some links if you are interested.
Protesting
We see a lot about protesting and protesters. What the heck does
protesting mean? To me, protesting is a verbal complaint by a person
or group of people about something.
In the U.S.A. we have the right to protest. What does that mean?... It
means that we can voice our complaint. We can do so in public,
private, in groups or as one person.
I believe that many in the USA do not understand this right that we
have. I also believe that very few in other countries understand this
right. The common thought is that Americans have the right to protest
any way and by any means that they wish. That is far from true. Allow
me to put forth some thoughts on protesting in hopes that those in
other countries and in the USA that don't understand this right may
learn.
The rights:
Yes, my friends, you have the right to purchase hammer, nails,
markers, sticks and other material to make signs for your protest.
Yes, you have the right to take those signs and the flag that you
bought to the protest sight and stage your protest. You have the right
to carry those signs and burn that flag if you desire.
Others have the right to buy material and flags and march in protest
of your protest. They can wave their flag and chant as well.
The no rights:
No, my friends, you don't have the right to take the flag from the
flag pole at the protest site or from other protesters and burn it.
That is theft and against the law. No, you don't have the right to
take the hammers that you used to build your signs and destroy public
or private property. That is vandalism and is also against the law.
No, you don't have the right to use the signs, hammers and other
things to attack the protesters that are protesting your protest. That
is assault and is against the law too.
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So, you see, you do have rights, but not to the extent that many seem
to believe.
Oh yeah, you don't have the right to protest anywhere you want.
Private property and some public areas may not allow protesting. You
should check with the people in charge of the area prior to your
protest. Should you fail to get permission, the police, or other
agencies, have the right to ask you to leave. Should you refuse to
leave when asked, these agencies have the right to have you arrested.
Remember, these places and people have the same rights, and no rights,
as you.
If you have read this carefully, you might begin to realize something.
Protesting and war are closely related. A group can protest and that
is fine. When the group uses violence, it become a fight. If the
violence grows, it can easily become a war.
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HOW WE TREAT PEOPLE
wdbonner@pacbell.net
Five lessons to make you think about the way we treat people.
1. First Important Lesson - Cleaning Lady. During my second month of
college, our professor gave us a pop quiz. I was a conscientious
student and had breezed through the questions, until I read the last
one: "What is the first name of the woman who cleans the school?"
Surely this was some kind of joke. I had seen the cleaning woman
several times. She was tall, dark-haired and in her 50s, but how would
I know her name? I handed in my paper, leaving the last question
blank. Just before class ended, one student asked if the last question
would count toward our quiz grade.
"Absolutely," said the professor. "In your careers, you will meet many
people. All are significant. They deserve your attention and are, even
if all you do is smile and say "hello" I've never forgotten that
lesson. I also learned her name was Dorothy.
2. Second Important Lesson - Pickup in the Rain One night, at 11:30
p.m., an older African American woman as standing on the side of an
Alabama highway trying to endure a lashing rainstorm. Her car had
broken down and she desperately needed a ride. Soaking wet, she
decided to flag down the next car. A young white man stopped to help
her, generally unheard of in those conflict-filled 1960s. The man took
her to safety, helped her get assistance and put her into a taxicab.
She seemed to be in a big hurry, but wrote down his address and
thanked him.
Seven days went by and a knock came on the man's door. To his
surprise, a giant console color TV was delivered to his home. A
special note was attached. It read: "Thank you so much for assisting
me on the highway the other night. The rain drenched not only my
clothes, but also my spirits. Then you came along. Because of you, I
was able to make it to my dying husband's bedside just before he
passed away. God bless you for helping me and unselfishly serving
others, Sincerely, Mrs. Nat King Cole.
3. Third Important Lesson - Always remember those who serve. In the
days when an ice cream sundae cost much less, a Ten year-old boy
entered a hotel coffee shop and sat at a table. A waitress put a
glass of water in front of him. "How much is an ice cream sundae?" he
asked. "Fifty cents," replied the waitress. The little boy pulled his
hand out of his pocket and studied the coins in it.
"Well, how much is a plain dish of ice cream?" he inquired. By now
more people were waiting for a table and the waitress was growing
impatient. "Thirty-five cents," she brusquely replied.
The little boy again counted his coins. "I'll have the plain ice
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cream," he said. The waitress brought the ice cream, put the bill on
the table and walked away. The boy finished the ice cream, paid the
cashier and left.
When the waitress came back, she began to cry as she wiped down the
table. There, placed neatly beside the empty dish, were two nickels
and five pennies. You see, he couldn't have the sundae, because he had
to have enough left to leave her a tip.
4. Fourth Important Lesson - The Obstacles in Our Path. In ancient
times, a King had a boulder placed on a roadway. Then he hid himself
and watched to see if anyone would remove the huge rock. Some of the
king's wealthiest merchants and courtiers came by and simply walked
around it. Many loudly blamed the King for not keeping the roads
clear, but none did anything about getting the stone out of the way.
Then a peasant came along carrying a load of vegetables. Upon
approaching the boulder, the peasant laid down his burden and tried to
move the stone to the side of the road. After much pushing and
straining, he finally succeeded. After the peasant picked up his load
of vegetables, he noticed a purse lying in the road where the boulder
had been. The purse contained many gold coins and a note from the King
indicating that the gold was for the person who removed the boulder
from the roadway.
The peasant learned what many of us never understand! Every obstacle
presents an opportunity to improve our condition.
5. Fifth Important Lesson - Giving When it Counts. Many years ago,
when I worked as a volunteer at a hospital, I got to know a little
girl named Liz who was suffering from a rare & serious disease. Her
only chance of recovery appeared to be a blood transfusion from her
5-year-old brother, who had miraculously survived the same disease and
had developed the antibodies needed to combat the illness. The doctor
explained the situation to her little brother, and asked the little
boy if he would be willing to give his blood to his sister.
I saw him hesitate for only a moment before taking a deep breath and
saying, "Yes I'll do it if it will save her." As the transfusion
progressed, he lay in bed next to his sister and smiled, as we all
did, seeing the color returning to her cheeks. Then his face grew pale
and his smile faded. He looked up at the doctor and asked with a
trembling voice, "Will I start to die right away?"
Being young, the little boy had misunderstood the doctor; he thought
he was going to have to give his sister all of his blood in order to
save her.
BONUS: I hope that you will choose to remember, "Work like you don't
need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like you
do when nobody's watching." 8^))
Ol'wdb
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Donations needed for SysOp!
Janis Kracht 1:261/38 (janis@filegate.net)
You may remember Sean Rima's bbs, TCOB1, who's add is below.
Friday night, April 16th, 2003, there was a fire in his home in
Ireland. Sean, his wife, and 5 children all escaped without injury,
and I'm really glad for that! The big problem now though, is there was
no house insurance on Sean's home, and major work must be done on it
to make it habitable again.
A number of SysOps were discussing these sad events, and so we've
decided to start a fund for Sean to help him out. Since the house had
no insurance I'm hoping that we can help him, even if just a little.
Many of you may know Sean because of the work he does sending out
files in Fidonet and in other distribution networks. He has in the
past several years voluntarily done this with file echos such as the
R50 file echos (gss, binkd, tornado, argus, and more), as well as
sending out some in the PDNUNIX file echo, and UTILLNX file echo.
If you can help (and no donation is too small!), there are a few ways
that you can send a donation:
Mail it to me, at the address below: Janis Kracht
121 Main Street,
Windsor, NY 13865
Mail it to Sean, send me an e-mail at janis@filegate.net and I'll be
happy to send Sean's mailing address.
Send it to my paypay account, send me an e-mail at janis@filegate.net
and I'll send you the details.
Thanks,
Janis Kracht
Zone 1 Coordintor
International Coordinator
IFDC FileGate Project (service mark)
Sean Rima wrote:
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A Wondrous Time
By Frank Vest
1:124/6308.1
We're now in the year 2003. I really doesn't seem that long ago that
we were celebrating the turn of the century and the end of a
millennium.... I suppose it wasn't that long ago. I'll not argue over
when each really ended or began. The scholars can figure that one out.
:-)
A few years ago, I had the pleasure of working in a facility for
"old" people. In America, we call it a "nursing home". The people that
are residents there are some of the most amazing people you could ever
meet. They have knowledge and experiences that span decades... in some
cases, a whole century.
When I started my job there, as a janitor, one lady was over 100
years old. She passed away just before I left the job. No, I didn't
really get to know her and this isn't about her. It's just that I have
thought many times about what experiences she must have had and the
things she had seen. Being born in the late 1800's, she witnessed the
turn of a century and almost a millennium. She lived through several
wars, the centennial of the U.S.A and many other things that we can
only read about in history books. What a wondrous thing!
In thinking about this, I realized that it will be some 900 years
before another generation will even be able to think of witnessing the
end of a millennium. I wonder what that generation will have to say
about the centuries in this millennium and the people that made it?
No, there is no real point to this little article and nothing
political or agenda'ed intended. Just a thought in my head of the
wondrous things that might happen in this millennium... if we let it
happen.
With kind regards to all,
Frank
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CLEAN HUMOUR & JOKES
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ARTHRITIS
wdbonner@pacbell.net
A drunk man who smelled like beer sat down on a subway seat next to a
priest. The man's tie was stained, his face was plastered with red
lipstick, and a half empty bottle of gin was sticking out of his torn
coat pocket. He opened his newspaper and began reading. After a few
minutes the man turned to the priest and asked, " Say, Father, what
causes arthritis?"
"My Son, it's caused by loose living, being with cheap, wicked women,
too much alcohol and a contempt for your fellow man, sleeping around
with prostitutes and lack of a bath."
"Well, I'll be damned," the drunk muttered, returning to his paper.
The priest, thinking about what he had said, nudged the man and
apologized. "I'm very sorry. I didn't mean to come on so strong. How
long have you had arthritis?"
"I don't have it, Father. I was just reading here that the Pope does"
>>>>>><<<<<<<
Just in case you've had a rough day, here's a stress management
technique recommended in all the latest psychological texts. The funny
thing is that it really works.
1. Picture yourself near a stream.
2. Birds are softly chirping in the cool mountain air.
3. No one but you knows your secret place.
4. You are in total seclusion from the hectic place called "the
world."
5. The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a
cascade of serenity.
6. The water is crystal clear.
7. You can easily make out the face of the person you're holding
underwater.
<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>
A Christian Puppy
A Baptist couple decide that they want to get a dog. As they are
walking down the street in town, they notice that a sign in the pet
shop is advertising "Christian Puppies." Their interest piqued, they
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go inside.
"How do you know they're Christian puppies?"
"Watch," says the owner, as he takes one of the dogs and says, "Fetch
the Bible." The dog runs over to the desk, and grabs the Bible in its
mouth and returns. Putting the Bible on the floor, the owner says,
"Find Psalm 23." The dog flips pages with its paw until he reaches the
right page, and then stops. Amazed and delighted, the couple purchase
the dog and head home.
That evening, they invite some friends over and show them the dog,
having him run through his Psalm 23 routine. Impressed, one of the
visitors asks "Does he also know 'regular' commands?"
"Gee, we don't know. We didn't ask," replies the husband.
8^))
Ol'wdb
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BEST OF FIDONET
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Kipling teaches Bush
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On: Fri 11 Apr 2003 6.19
By: Mimi Gallandt
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Lessons for Bush from Kipling
By Janadas Devan
'US SATELLITE surveillance is so sophisticated it can now provide
transcripts of high-level meetings before they are held,' wrote New
York Times columnist William Safire before going on to describe what
British Prime Minister Tony Blair and United States President George
W. Bush were likely to say to each other at their Belfast summit.
Mr Safire, though, used a 'made in USA' receiver. Not surprisingly, he
heard only the part of the conversation where a triumphant Mr Bush
bested Mr Blair in argument, ending with this snatch:
Mr Blair: Churchill did say, 'In war, resolution... In victory,
magnanimity...'
Mr Bush: And 'In peace, goodwill'. (At Blair's aghast expression...)
Condoleezza briefed me on that one.
Using a neutral receiver, here's the rest of the dialogue:
Mr Blair: Did she also tell you Churchill got to Iraq long before we
did? He was Colonial Secretary when Iraq became British after World
War I. He couldn't wait to give it up.
Mr Bush: What! Churchill give up? Why?
Mr Blair: Because the cost, in blood and treasure, of holding the
place was too high. We lost 33,000 men conquering it from the Turks.
Mr Bush: We do these things better than you. We have only lost 150 so
far, and Baghdad has already fallen.
Mr Blair: Yes, you do. But in those days, we had the Gatling gun, and
so did the Turks. We won chiefly because we had loads of Indian,
Australian and Canadian troops for cannon fodder. But that's not the
point. The point is we continued suffering casualties even after
driving out the Turks. The locals turned on us.
Mr Bush: But you came as conquerors. We come as liberators. You had
Lawrence of Arabia, a blood-thirsty empire-builder. We have Wolfowitz
of Arabia, a Vietnam-dodging champion of democracy.
Mr Blair: Wolfowitz of Arabia in the service of Israel - that's what
Arabs think, George. And guess what - they came to the same conclusion
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about us. Churchill told Parliament in 1921: We made pledges 'for the
reconstitution of the Arab nation', and we also made pledges 'to
establish a Jewish national home in Palestine'. He didn't realize it,
but that was a recipe for disaster.
Mr Bush: So we have you guys to thank for all this.
Mr Blair: Yes. And that's precisely what I'm trying to tell you: We've
been there, done that - and failed. We can teach you a thing or two
about the bitter lessons of empire.
Mr Bush: I'm all ears. Wolfowitz of Arabia is not here. Speak.
Mr Blair: First, don't assume the burden of empire, if you can help
it; and if you can't, don't assume it by yourself. That was our first
mistake in Mesopotamia, as Iraq was then called. We stiffed the French
and got the Iraqi mandate all to ourselves. Every problem became our
responsibility. Shi'ites hated the Sunnis, the Sunnis hated the Kurds,
the Kurds hated the Shi'ites, and everyone hated us.
Two, turn the place over to the Iraqis as fast as possible, and get
out. That was our second mistake. To provide a veneer of legitimacy
for British rule, Churchill installed Faisal, the second son of Sharif
Hussein of Mecca, as king. The chap had never laid eyes on Baghdad
before. But we arranged for a referendum, got him a 96 per cent vote,
and he ascended the throne. Predictably, our exercise in 'nation
building' failed.
Mr Bush: Ours won't. And we are not going to let the French muck it up
for us. The United Nations telling us what to do? No way. We did Japan
and Germany without the UN; we can do Iraq ourselves. You know what
you'll get with a committee designing a horse? A camel! I won't have
camels in Iraq. The UN can distribute food, it can provide health
services, it can...
Mr Blair: It can give money, George, filthy lucre. Occupying and
reconstructing Iraq will cost you at least US$20 billion (S$35.7
billion) a year. That assumes a force of only 75,000 troops - and no
rebellions, no guerilla attacks, no suicide bombings. Your own army
chief says you need 200,000 troops for peacekeeping. What's your
fiscal deficit for 2003, George, even before accounting for these
costs? US$400 billion, wasn't it?
Mr Bush: We welcome international contributions. We spilt blood to
liberate Iraq; others can cough up money for its reconstruction.
Mr Blair: No taxation without representation; no international aid
without international participation. And more important than all these
is international cover.
Mr Bush: I didn't need cover going in, why should I need cover to
stay?
Mr Blair: Because you don't want to own this problem yourself.
Everything you set up in Iraq - interim authority, new constitution,
new army - will be smeared by you, and therefore lack credibility in
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Arab eyes. If this is going to work, it must have the legitimacy which
only the UN can confer. You have the legitimacy of force; that is not
the same as the legitimacy of right. You get the UN in, all Arabs,
including Iraqis, will be convinced you've come to liberate, not
conquer. Don't be fooled by Iraqi cheers. Lebanese cheered the
invading Israelis too, before turning on them. You know Kipling?
Mr Bush: Yah, ' White Man's burden'. Condoleezza briefed me on that
too. But she told me to say 'Democracy's burden'.
Mr Blair: Democracy shamocracy. Here's what Kipling said about the
burden, the part that people forget:
Take up the White Man's burden,
Send forth the best ye breed,
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need...
Take up the White Man's burden
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard.
Mr Bush (alarmed): Condoleezza didn't tell me about that part.
('Condi...,' he screams.)
L'Chaim
Mimi
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BEN RITCHEY'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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-=:{ FIDONet Software Reference }:=-
Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info
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|Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
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Argus |M |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84
| | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889
| | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001
BeeMail: |M |http://beemail.gexonline.net 1:105/10
Stephen Proffit | | beemail@gexonline.net
BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102
| | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998
BinkD |MI |http://2f.ru/binkd/
| | maloff@corbina.net
| | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000
Fidonet to Internet: |MI |http://www.terminate.com
Bo Bendtsen | | sales@terminate.com
| | v2.00 on Mar23rd 1997
FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330
Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101
| | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX
Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sf.net
| | v1.2.4 on Apr 3rd 2003
InterMail, InterEcho |MT |http://www.ifido.com 1:1/133
| | bob@nwstar.com
| | v2.50 IM, v1.19 IE
Radius (based on |M |http://fido5012.narod.ru/ 2:5012/38
Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463
| | v4.009 on Jan 2nd 2003
Terminate |MBP |http://www.terminate.com
| | v5.00 on Aug 7th 1997
Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608
WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204
Software, Inc. | | AUP 450.2 on Jul 9th 2002
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Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org
| | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.4
FMail |T |http://fmail.nl.eu.org 2:280/1076
| | wijnstra@fmail.nl.eu.org v1.60
JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de
(ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000
Squish |T |http://www.lanius.com
| | sales@lanius.com v1.11
| |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/
Synchronet BBS |TB |http://www.synchro.net
| | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net
| | v3.10L Beta
Watergate |TUI |http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/
| | ramon@sbbs.se
| | v0.93p9 on Dec 14th 1998
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BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net
| | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222
ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com
Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com
| | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002
Falken BBS |B |http://falkenbbs.com
| | v12.0 on Feb 2nd 2002
Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org
| | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final
Maximus BBS |B |http://www.lanius.com
| | sales@lanius.com v3.01
| |http://www.vector11.com/maximus/
MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802
Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net
| | v0.33.21 on Jun 4th 2002
Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com
| | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001
Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net
| | groberts@nexusbbs.net
| | v0.99.41.001 beta on Jun 10th 2001
Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be
| | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002
RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com
| | v2.62.2SW
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Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/
Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150
| | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999
Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net
| | support@telegard.net
| | v3.09g2 SP4
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Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/
| | last update: Jun 2002
BBS Central |D |http://www.rpcomputers.com
Bentstone |D |http://www.srupc.com/mall
Capabilities Group | | info@stonebenders.com
Cheepware: |D |http://www.midnightshour.org/cheepware/
Sean Dennis | | hausmaus@midnightshour.org 1:11/200
DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201
Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
Ruth Argust | |
DoorMUD |D |http://www.dmud.thebbs.org
| | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002
Elysium Software |D |http://www.elysoft.com
| | mpreslar@mailcity.com
Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com
| | scott@jibben.com
| | 1995-99 Release dates
JNS Software: |D |http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/
Rusty Johnson | | rustyjohnson57@hotmail.com
| | Tel: (304) 733-0113
John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com
| | support@johndaileysoftware.com
LORD (Legend of the |D |http://www.lordlegacy.org
Red Dragon) Reborn | | mike@lordlegacy.org
| | v4.06 on Feb 5th 2001
Lord-II IGMs |D |http://www.shelby.net/wizards/lord2igm/
PC Pursuits |D |http://www.pcpursuits.com
| | brucep@pop.kis.net
| | Tel: (301) 240-6653
Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
| | nannette@shiningstar.net
Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
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| | Tel: (404) 256-9518
The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
| | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases
Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
| | jpritch@eisonline.com
| | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002
Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013
Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org
| | last update: Jul 17th 2002
(various) |D |http://www.webnexus.com/users/etow/
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APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de
| | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de
| | v1.25 2:2426/1210.13
OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004
| | mk@openxp.de v3.8.7 beta Aug 3rd 2002
OpenXP/16 |P |http://www.openxp16.de 2:2433/460
| | my@openxp16.de v3.40 RC3 Apr 28th 2002
CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de
| | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999
PPoint |P |http://www.alcuf.ca 1:249/114
| | v3.04 on Jan 10th 2000
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GoldEd+ |E |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/ 2:203/6600
| | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003
SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de
| | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999
TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet
| | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed
| | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267
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Allfix |U |ftp://ftp.nwstar.com 1:140/12
| | bob@nwstar.com
| | v5.13 (v6?)
GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com
| | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997
Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
(Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001
PeopleComm Terminal |CUI |http://www.peoplecomm.org 1:128/148
(BBS & Telnet w/ | | edward.williams@adelphia.net
ZModem) | | v1.01a on Feb 11th 2003
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TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/
| | transnet@ressl.com.ar
| | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998
TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.multiboard.com/software/
Communications, Inc.| | support@multiboard.com 1:2401/305
| | v3.5
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National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org
Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/
(in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings)
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File Archives: http://archives.thebbs.org http://www.filegate.org
http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com
http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi
http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu
Note: most also provide FTP access (use ftp:// vice http:// above)
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Internet: http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/m/cmech617/fidosoft.txt
Magic FReq: FIDOSOFT (Use INFO and/or HELP for details)
Note: Please send corrections & additions to: Ben Ritchey, 1:393/68
`-==> E-mail FIDONet(at)Bellsouth(dot)net BBS (337) 232-4155
Emeritus: Todd Cochrane, Frank Vest, Peter Popovich
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Net 3634: http://www.wpusa.dynip.com/
Zone 2:
Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
Region 24: http://www.was-ist-fido.de/ (German)
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.fidonet.be (French)
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.fidospain.org
Region 35: http://fido.hit.bg/en/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Region 53: http://fido.bitsoft.ro/
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Region 80: http://www.rbt.com.br (Portuguese)
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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Guam, Indoesia and the Phillipines)
Region 65: http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)
Fidonet Via Internet Hubs provided by FidoTel.com
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 | Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 | Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 | Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
103/5 | Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 | Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 | Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 | Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 | fido@thunderdome.ws| BinkP,FTP,UUE | 10mbps | FREE
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 | Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
134/11 | Michael Grant | FTP, BinkP, VMoT UUE, IFCICO,TransX
aDSL, 60 | n/c
138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 | Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 | Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | groberts|nexusbbs.net |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
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229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
275/311 | Shannon Talley|FTP,BinkP,FTP,VMoT,QWK| T1 |n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 | Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
379/1 | Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
393/68 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ADSL | n/c
2215/300 | Dennis Haddox | UUE,TX | CABLE | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | 384K,60| n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/1275 | @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3634/12 | Mark Lewis |FTP,VMoT,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
3830/9 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP FTP IFCICO VMoT UUE|?|?
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
53/558 |Vladimir Hrusca|POP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP,ifcico|2mbs|??
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Göran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson |BinkP,FTP,TX,UUE| 512k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BinkP | 8/2mb | n/c
221/360 | Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 | Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 | Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE, BinkP | 128k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | 3mb | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
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301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 | Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
341/51 | Jose.Maria Tejada | VMoT | |
341/66 | Angel Ripoll | BinkP, ifcico | |
343/168 | Jose Casanova | VMoT, BinkP | |
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
345/432 | Pablo Romano | VMoT | |
347/1 | Javi Polo | UUE | |
348/105 | Alejandro Estraviz| BinkP UUE | |
348/609 | Redy Rodriguez |BinkP,ifcico,UUE| |
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 | Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
2800/14 | Aleksandr Galiyev | BinkP,ifcico,VMoT| T1 | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 | Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 | Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
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Zone 4
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801/161 | Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
905/101 | Ariel Nardelli | Binkp | |
930/1 | David Gonzalez | Binkp | |
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Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free
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* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
* QWK = Quick Packets/Offline mailer "networking" capable
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Fidonet oriented news servers
nntp://news.fidotel.com (provides user access to Z1B & WWB)
nntp://news.osirusoft.com
news.tardis.net
nntp://fido.bitsoft.ro
nntp://bbs.bitsoft.ro
news.rafastd.org
nntp://ficbbs.org:999
Fidonet oriented chat rooms.
room #fidonet 5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
irc.osirusoft.com (Peers wanted)
irc.sinoptix.ro : malay, chinesse, english, #fido, #fidonet, #wwb
irc.bitsoft.ro : 6667 russian, english, hebrew, #fido, #wwb
irc.tsua.net : 6668 russian, english #fido
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SPECIAL INTEREST
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Nodelist Stats
Input nodelist nodelist.101
size 991.6kb
date 2003-04-11
The nodelist has 8743 nodes in it
and a total of 11475 non-comment entries
including 6 zones
59 regions
442 hosts
600 hubs
admin overhead 1107 ( 12.66 %)
and 987 private nodes
289 nodes down
349 nodes on hold
off line overhead 1625 ( 18.59 %)
Speed summary:
>9600 = 675 ( 7.72 %)
9600 = 7626 ( 87.22 %)
(HST = 164 or 2.15 %)
(CSP = 1 or 0.01 %)
(PEP = 11 or 0.14 %)
(MAX = 0 or 0.00 %)
(HAY = 1 or 0.01 %)
(V32 = 4111 or 53.91 %)
(V32B = 412 or 5.40 %)
(V34 = 5063 or 66.39 %)
(V42 = 4186 or 54.89 %)
(V42B = 436 or 5.72 %)
2400 = 87 ( 1.00 %)
1200 = 6 ( 0.07 %)
300 = 349 ( 3.99 %)
ISDN = 785 ( 8.98 %)
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File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 2980
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
Xenia
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 9
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 11
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XP Seadog 6
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XR Opus 1.03 43
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XW Fido >12M 342
Tabby
KittenMail
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 3944
Frontdoor 1.99b
Intermail 2.01
T-Mail
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None QMM 1408
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CrashMail capable = 2694 ( 30.81 %)
MailOnly nodes = 4829 ( 55.23 %)
Listed-only nodes = 693 ( 7.93 %)
Other = 527 ( 6.03 %)
[Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm available from 1:106/100]
[ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208]
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